Re: [steering-discuss] Update on the Foundation

2011-01-03 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:44:20 -0500, drew d...@baseanswers.com a écrit : We finally came to the following decision. We will incorporate a Foundation in Germany (called Stiftung in German) in early 2011. A german foundation will provide us with many advantages of various kinds,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Test documents to compare interoperability [was: Do not support writing to OOXML format]

2011-01-03 Thread Leif Lodahl
Hi, Bernhard Dippold wrote It would be good to have some test documents, to convert them from one of the formats to the others and find out the best interoperability solution for the present versions of the different software packages. I have a set of documents covering 36 basic

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Rick Stanley
I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using ODF and open source formats. LibreOffice needs to rise above this

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons

2011-01-03 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: On 2011-01-02 12:13 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: I have a concern about the Addons.  In my 10+ years of using OpenOffice/StarOffice, the inclusion of addons was a great idea.  However, the marketing of addons was

Re: [tdf-discuss] (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft

2011-01-03 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
Il 01/01/2011 18:52, Zaphod Feeblejocks ha scritto: Did you know that anything running Linux in France is not a computer? The outworking of this is a skewed market in favour of MS operating systems, and therefore in favour of MS applications. This DOES affect LibO. From:

Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-03 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
Il 01/01/2011 20:29, Wolf Halton ha scritto: That looks like a good message. A direct save this as a .doc now button inside the dialog might be helpful for users as well. Yes it is a good message but I still prefere to put the doc docx end everything not related to standard odf in an Export

[tdf-discuss] LO 3.3 RC 2 - Colour for insert columns and rows in Writer

2011-01-03 Thread Johannes A. Bodwing
Hello, it's about a table in writer and the icons to insert columns and rows. The colour now is yellow. I find it not a good choice because it's a pale kind of yellow and not good to see. What about a more saturated yellow or a kind of blue or purple or orange? LO 3.3 RC2 with XP pro

Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-03 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:33 PM, yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.it wrote: Il 01/01/2011 20:29, Wolf Halton ha scritto: That looks like a good message. A direct save this as a .doc now button inside the dialog might be helpful for users as well. Yes it is a good message but I still

Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-03 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
Il 03/01/2011 10:46, Michael Wheatland ha scritto: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:33 PM, yahoo-pier_andreit pier_andr...@yahoo.it wrote: Il 01/01/2011 20:29, Wolf Halton ha scritto: That looks like a good message. A direct save this as a .doc now button inside the dialog might be helpful for users

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
On 03/01/11 04:10, Larry Gusaas wrote: Including the ability to write OOXML format is a political decision driven by the Novell and Microsoft marketing agreement. User experience? Ask that question of any user of older versions of Word after they receive a .docx document and are unable to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons (was: Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-03 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
On 3 Jan 2011 at 17:29, Michael Wheatland wrote: Could addons be clearly signposted on the main page? Could first-time users be taken to the addons page, so they know functionality can be extended? Could addons be clearly posted in the menus? Could the frequency of downloading

Re: [tdf-discuss] (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft

2011-01-03 Thread sophie
Hi Zaphod, On 01/01/2011 20:52, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: Did you know that anything running Linux in France is not a computer? The outworking of this is a skewed market in favour of MS operating systems, and therefore in favour of MS applications. This DOES affect LibO. I would not be so

Re: [tdf-discuss] (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft

2011-01-03 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
On 3 Jan 2011 at 14:12, sophie wrote: Hi Zaphod, On 01/01/2011 20:52, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: Did you know that anything running Linux in France is not a computer? The outworking of this is a skewed market in favour of MS operating systems, and therefore in favour of MS

Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export

2011-01-03 Thread Philippe . VIENT
Accusé de réception Votre Re: [tdf-discuss] docx export document :

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Mark Preston
I actually agree wholeheartedly with Italo here - please do not try to hamstring the developers with your (or our) own preferences! The idea of community discussion is to guide developers, not to instruct them to do the impractical or impossible and equally not to instruct them (for whatever

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Mark Preston
On 02/01/2011 18:29, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-02 12:07 PM, Mark Preston wrote: Please remember that both LibO and OpenO can already *read* the formats and the issue is whether or not it is practical or pragmatic to put effort into developing something to *write* the OOXML form. Eh?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/2/2011 6:34 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 1/3/11 1:12 AM, Barbara Duprey wrote: I was under the impression that the vanilla versions of Office since 2007 SP2 could read and write ODF formats, with no need to install any plugins (but with their own special twist on ODF). From what you say

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons (was: Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-03 Thread Michael Wheatland
On 03/01/2011 8:46 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello everyone, Le Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:58:18 -, Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com a écrit : On 3 Jan 2011 at 17:29, Michael Wheatland wrote: Could addons be clearly signposted on the main

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons (was: Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-03 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Todd, Le Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:50:36 -0500, todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com a écrit : On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:59 AM, Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 Jan 2011 at 9:59, Craig A. Eddy wrote:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons (was: Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-03 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Michael, Le Tue, 4 Jan 2011 00:28:58 +0930, Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au a écrit : On 03/01/2011 8:46 PM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello everyone, Le Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:58:18 -, Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com a écrit :

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 1/3/11 7:38 AM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote: Where can I read it? Is it in the next decade manifesto? http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00016.html And they are not equal. That's my problem with it at the moment. I don't really understand how this

Re: [steering-discuss] Update on the Foundation

2011-01-03 Thread drew
We finally came to the following decision. We will incorporate a Foundation in Germany (called Stiftung in German) in early 2011. A german foundation will provide us with many advantages of various kinds, among them, 100% tax-deductible donations. Hello Charles, et al.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons (was: Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-03 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: to implement the Silverstripe CMS on Drupal.org does not seem to mean anything to me. With a view to go with Drupal was rather: with the possible option of Drupal in the long term. Sorry, I meant to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons

2011-01-03 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 03.01.2011 16:20, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: a little bit of misinformation, Michael, is perhaps your enthusiasm leading to understand things the way you would like them to be :-). At this stage, I don't believe we have any clear plans to move to Drupal; there seems indeed to have

[tdf-discuss] Re: (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft

2011-01-03 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Hi, Le 03/01/11 12:37, Zaphod Feeblejocks a écrit : I guess if you want to buy an iPad in France, now is a good time to do it! An iPad or any other mobile OS based device, including your telephone :-) (the tax, if finally passed into law, should also affect WindowsMobile phones) - the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 1/3/11 8:43 AM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote: What's the background (for ESC) to decide what leads to the best software for users? I apologize for repeating myself, but the ESC will decide upon positive contributions, suggestions or requests. You suggest a feature, promote a technology,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Eduardo Moreno
El 30/12/10 11:27, Larry Gusaas escribió: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary format. To do so is contrary to the principle of using ODF and open source

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons

2011-01-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Michael, Michael Wheatland wrote (03-01-11 16:56) To make this clear in my mind I have listened and read the decision statement from the Steering Committee decision. The conversation on the conference call: I would ask the people working on Drupal to do a more detailed planning in the next

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 1/3/11 3:40 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: Unfortunately, this means that most user-created documents going to those with more recent versions of Office will be handled by the MS ODF, which is especially unfortunate for spreadsheets. If we get a complaint about compatibility, we can (as usual)

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/3/2011 4:55 AM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: snip It may be that without explicity aiming to remove users from our sister, OOo, aiming to take the other 20% who do not use MSO 07 (plus those who do!) may be a more effective way to spread the file format. If we can get ODT used enough -

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons (was: Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-03 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Michael, Le Tue, 4 Jan 2011 01:26:09 +0930, Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au a écrit : On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: to implement the Silverstripe CMS on Drupal.org does not seem to mean anything to me. With

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Johannes A. Bodwing
Hi Italo, On 1/3/11 7:38 AM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote: Where can I read it? Is it in the next decade manifesto? http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00016.html Thanks for the Link. - And I could ask the next questions, but I save it for later. I try to get it

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/3/2011 3:06 AM, Davide Dozza wrote: Il 02/01/2011 20:41, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: [...] inconsistencies. However, it's fortunately or unfortunately, should not be a problem: OOo LibO implement the existing and used version of MS *proprietary formats* used in MS Office 2007 and 2010

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/3/2011 10:26 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 1/3/11 3:40 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote: Unfortunately, this means that most user-created documents going to those with more recent versions of Office will be handled by the MS ODF, which is especially unfortunate for spreadsheets. If we get a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft

2011-01-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 3 January 2011 15:56, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Le 03/01/11 12:37, Zaphod Feeblejocks a écrit : I guess if you want to buy an iPad in France, now is a good time to do it! An iPad or any other mobile OS based device, ipad is hardly an OS based device.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 3 January 2011 15:14, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/3/11 7:38 AM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote: Where can I read it? Is it in the next decade manifesto? http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00016.html And they are not equal. That's my problem

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Barbara, Le Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:55:21 -0600, Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com a écrit : On 1/3/2011 3:06 AM, Davide Dozza wrote: Il 02/01/2011 20:41, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: [...] inconsistencies. However, it's fortunately or unfortunately, should not be a problem: OOo LibO

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Johannes A. Bodwing
Hi Italo, On 1/3/11 8:43 AM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote: What's the background (for ESC) to decide what leads to the best software for users? I apologize for repeating myself, but the ESC will decide upon positive contributions, suggestions or requests. You suggest a feature, promote a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft

2011-01-03 Thread Luis E Vásquez r
Medellin, enero 3 de 2011 Just look this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/28/rumored_ubuntu_tablet/ Best Regards, Luis E. Vásquez R. OpenOffice.org Volunteer Support Este mensaje se ha enviado desde Medellín, Colombia *10 Años usando exitosamente OpenOffice.org libre, seguro y abierto *

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft

2011-01-03 Thread Zaphod Feeblejocks
Hi Alex, The current French government needs money, big time - the mobile/embedded market is still fairly bouyant - what better way to generate a revenue stream to fill the depleted coffers ? ;-) How cynical! You make them almost sound like the UK government, who put 5p onto the price of a

Re: [tdf-discuss] (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft

2011-01-03 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1/1/2011 12:52 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote: Did you know that anything running Linux in France is not a computer? The outworking of this is a skewed market in favour of MS operating systems, and therefore in favour of MS applications. This

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Hello Johannes, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote (03-01-11 20:31) Hi Cor, ... Or is there a system to save proposals for a later check under new conditions. Not that I am aware of. Eventually it could be helfpul to have a list of such ideas in a common place (TDF or LO) with marks like: later

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 1/3/2011 11:19 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Barbara, Le Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:55:21 -0600, Barbara Dupreyb...@onr.com a écrit : On 1/3/2011 3:06 AM, Davide Dozza wrote: Il 02/01/2011 20:41, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto: [...] inconsistencies. However, it's fortunately or unfortunately,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Drupal discussion once more :-( [was: Addons]

2011-01-03 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Marc, Michael, all, Marc Paré schrieb: Disclaimer: I am on the Drupal team and think that this is the better solution for the LibreOffice CMS solution. It's your right to think what you want to - you are even allowed to post your thoughts ;-) ... as long as these postings don't cause

Re: [tdf-discuss] Drupal discussion once more :-( [was: Addons]

2011-01-03 Thread klaus-jürgen weghorn ol
Hi Bernhard, you forgot two things: http://www.libreoffice.org/admin for helping on the content http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/ for the current work on the design Helping hands are needed by the great work, David has done (and does). -- Greetings k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Drupal discussion once more :-( [was: Addons]

2011-01-03 Thread David Nelson
Hi Klaus, :-) On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 06:04, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: http://pumbaa.documentfoundation.org:7780/ for the current work on the design Ivan and I are busy finalizing the implementation of Nikash' template as a SilverStripe theme, and the progress is much

[tdf-discuss] A how to

2011-01-03 Thread Andy Brown
To keep from expanding an already over used thread I started a new one for this. Consider it as different view of a dead topic if you wish but it is written to help others understand ways to help and provide something beneficial to the community. Some weeks back I had an idea that I though

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com On 1/3/2011 11:19 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Barbara, Le Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:55:21 -0600, Barbara Dupreyb...@onr.com a écrit : On 1/3/2011 3:06 AM, Davide Dozza wrote: Il 02/01/2011 20:41, Charles-H. Schulz ha

[tdf-discuss] Re: Drupal discussion once more :-( [was: Addons]

2011-01-03 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2011-01-03 16:38, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Thanks for note Bernhard. So great, let's get back to site building and quit this vitriol jousting over the Drupal site. If the SC had NNOT called for a Drupal example over the next 6 months, then the Sc would certainly not have let the Drupal

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons (was: Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-03 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Michael, Le Tue, 4 Jan 2011 01:26:09 +0930, Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au a écrit : On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org

[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice 3.3 Release Party wiki page -- Let's celebrate our distro!

2011-01-03 Thread Marc Paré
This is just another gentle reminder of our LibreOffice 3.3 Release Party wiki page. If you are planning on holding a release party or just celebrating our latest LibreOffice distro, feel free to advertise the date and location on the LibreOffice Release 3.3 Release Party wiki page.[1] You