Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

Le 2011-06-25 11:36, aqualung a écrit : Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: 3. There are other ways to make fonts available in the meantime, although not so straightforward as embedded fonts, they also don't make the document bigger. A similar discussion took place in March and I http://nabble.docum

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard

Le 2011-06-25 16:35, Robert Derman a écrit : This could eventually destroy ODF as a viable world standard if at some point some software company or organization comes up with a popular program (example Microsoft) that embeds fonts so that anyone editing the document, viewing it, or printing it

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 ...)

Hi Dennis. On 26/06/11 13:53, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > All right, let's put a stake through the heart of this puppy. > > I just created three documents. One is pretty large so I put them at Windows > SkyDrive: >

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 ...)

All right, let's put a stake through the heart of this puppy. I just created three documents. One is pretty large so I put them at Windows SkyDrive: 1. A Microsoft Word 2010 1-page document with a small ima

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

A working implementation would be great, although a working specification would be better, since the ODF can consider that while others test it for implementation. And if you want to build it into a LibreOffice as an extended use of the format, all the better, but you need to be prepared for th

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

+1 although it is about fidelity too, especially in things like presentations. -Original Message- From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:27 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE:

[tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > > 3. There are other ways to make fonts available in the meantime, although > not so straightforward as embedded fonts, they also don't make the > document bigger. > > A similar discussion took place in March and I http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/RE-tdf-dis

Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

I dont thinks thats normal somehow, i have been using Adobe Reader for years and have NEVER had it come past 200MB. Back to discussion, what's with all the PDF hate. It serves a very good purpose a standard, editable document that shows up exactly how you want it WHEREVER you are and whatever OS

Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: > > > Manfred wrote: > > > > "I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final > versions > > of text (and maybe other office) documents." > > > > I'd say yes if they are likely to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

У суб, 25. 06 2011. у 15:23 -0500, Robert Derman пише: > > I think it would be best if restricted fonts were simply "Grayed out" > in the font listing and LO simply refused to use them in any way. Let us try not to repeat everything said before here: http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard

Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-24 18:01, Nuno J. Silva a écrit : On 2011-06-24, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hello, Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 07:48:54 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : I really hope that revision 1.2 allows for font embedding in ODF documents. IMO

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-06-25, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 06/25/2011 02:09 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: I see font embedding as a way to make interoperation easier, and not to achieve faithful representation. I think a major goal is to have ODF being used on several platforms,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

On 2011-06-25, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: > On 06/25/2011 02:09 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: > >> I see font embedding as a way to make interoperation easier, and not to >> achieve faithful representation. I think a major goal is to have ODF >> being used on several platforms, and available fonts

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

У суб, 25. 06 2011. у 15:24 -0400, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak пише: > I always wondered how embedding fonts worked from a copyright > perspective. I use my favorite special font that I purchased for my > own use, then I create a document that uses (and embeds) that font in > the document. > It depe

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

On 06/25/2011 02:09 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-06-25, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote The problem is that the research I've been doing about this subject has been leading me to the position that LibO/OOo is not going to implement it because it must be implemented in ODF, and because ODF won't su

Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: My Windows 7 C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 10.0\ folder is 181 MB. Where do you get the 6 GB? I simply right clicked on the folder that contains adobe reader 9 and nothing else, the rest of the Adobe products are in a folder one level up that also contains th

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF

On 2011-06-25, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> >>> Le 2011-06-24 13:13, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : >>> So, let me state and restate this : ODF will not embed fonts in the 1.2, 1.3, nor in the future, because the format is not meant to focus on faithful la

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

On 06/25/2011 01:14 PM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Dennis Le 2011-06-25 12:40, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : PS: Since August 2008, when I became a member of the ODF TC, I don't recall any conclusion that font embedding is out of scope for the OpenDocument Format. I don't know what such an assertio

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

Hi Dennis Le 2011-06-25 12:40, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : The reason for the periodic Committee Drafts is to have reasonably-stable feature specifications that implementers can start on and confirm the specification of before we do the work to produce the final stable specification (a Commi

RE: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

The reason for the periodic Committee Drafts is to have reasonably-stable feature specifications that implementers can start on and confirm the specification of before we do the work to produce the final stable specification (a Committee Specification) that then goes forward as a Candidate OASI

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT), plino a écrit : > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > No it doesn't. > > > > Of course it does. Maybe you don't use it or don't know how to do > it. But don't say it doesn't. So are you saying your word documents embed fonts on a daily basis? I've n

[tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > No it doesn't. > Of course it does. Maybe you don't use it or don't know how to do it. But don't say it doesn't. Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > But I think we're also missing the point if -let's say > we were to design a brand new office file format that embeds o

Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: > On 2011-06-24, Robert Derman wrote: > > > Varun Mittal wrote: > >> I personally feel we have more important set of priorities than > diversifying > >> right now into PDF reader. Also no point inventing the wheel again when > >> there are seve

Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

On 25 June 2011 13:37, Simon Phipps wrote: > > On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: > > > Manfred wrote: > > > > "I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final > versions > > of text (and maybe other office) documents." > > > > I'd say yes if they are likely to be printe

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Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: > Manfred wrote: > > "I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions > of text (and maybe other office) documents." > > I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only > likely to be read from a scree

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Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

On 25 June 2011 10:02, timofonic timofonic wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Nuno J. Silva > wrote: > > On 2011-06-24, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > > >> Marc Paré wrote: > >>> if we were to promote a "quick and dirty" > >>> "LibreOffice Reader", very much like the "Adobe Acrobat Reader", w

Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

Manfred wrote: "I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents." I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only likely to be read from a screen. Snag is desktop office software originates from a time w

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:21:34 +0200 Goran Rakic wrote: > У пет, 24. 06 2011. у 14:03 -0500, Robert Derman пише: > > > > As long as ODF has this inherent limitation it WILL NEVER SUCCEED > > as a universal document exchange format!!! > > > Different formats exists with different goals. But there

Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:06:17 -0400 Marc Paré wrote: > Charles H. Schultz has informed us that the OASIS group has no > intention of embedding fonts for v.1.2, 1.3 or any future versions, > so getting the same type of fidelity from a LibreOffice Reader will > not be possible. In this case, if one

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:34:29 +0200, Manfred Usselmann a écrit : > On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:25:47 -0700 (PDT) > plino wrote: > > > In any case, if LibreOffice's goal is to be a suite that stands > > behind the ODF format then it should review what it promises. If it > > can't embed fonts, it can n

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

У суб, 25. 06 2011. у 12:34 +0200, Manfred Usselmann пише: > > Does MS Office embed fonts? It is a rarely used option, disabled by default. To use it not breaking copyright law, you need to have a properly licensed font. If you are using non-free font, usually you are not allowed to redistribute

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:25:47 -0700 (PDT) plino wrote: > In any case, if LibreOffice's goal is to be a suite that stands > behind the ODF format then it should review what it promises. If it > can't embed fonts, it can never be a replacement for MS Office. Does MS Office embed fonts? Manfred --

Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: > On 2011-06-24, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >> Marc Paré wrote: >>> if we were to promote a "quick and dirty" >>> "LibreOffice Reader", very much like the "Adobe Acrobat Reader", whose >>> sole purpose is to provide the ability to "read" ".odt" f

[tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review)

Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > > 4. It is incorrect to presume that Font Embedding will not be in ODF 1.3 > or any other. While font embedding did not make the feature cut in the > prioritization for ODF 1.2, that does not mean it can't be resurrected. > It is early days for ODF 1.3, which is sch