Re: [IxDA Discuss] touch screen kiosk accessiblity

2007-11-13 Thread Caroline Jarrett
From: wendy constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Does anyone have any ideas on how to ensure physical/navigational : accessibility on a touch screen (Apple) display? : : I'm working on a design specification and accessibility plan for a : museum in the UK that is particularly sensitive to access

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Prototypical

2007-11-13 Thread dave malouf
Hi Alexander, As in Robert's follow up message. All messages like this one will be considered at the up-coming retreat. BTW, someone is working on doing something similar to this right now. 8-) Very early stages. The discussion, IMHO, is a place to hash things out. What you're proposing is a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what are your fundamental tenets of design?

2007-11-13 Thread Chauncey Wilson
There is an interesting book on Design by Kees Dorst -- Understanding Design: 150 Reflections on Being a Designer (2003). In the intro to his book he notes Together, the 150 essays in this book provide a panoramic view over the subject of design. The essays are written to challenge designers and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] What comes first, the Design or the Technology ...

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Howard
On 12 Nov 2007, at 21:57, Bryan Minihan wrote: [snip] In a perfect world, the technology should have no effect on the design. [snip] Isn't that like saying stone should have no effect on sculpture, paints should have no effect on portraiture? Seems somewhat strange to me... Adrian

Re: [IxDA Discuss] What comes first, the Design or the Technology ...

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Howard
On 12 Nov 2007, at 23:00, Steve Baty wrote: This about sums up my experience working with code-level developers: excellent advice. I absolutely can't emphasise enough the difference #1 makes to a development project. Get your development lead working side-by-side with the 'design'

Re: [IxDA Discuss] What comes first, the Design or the Technology ...

2007-11-13 Thread Katie Pula
Intelligent design would be nothing without technology, and vice versa. But we know this already...right... I%u2019m not sure if everyone is taking a particular development methodology into account within these views, but Agile absolutely depends on multi-disciplinary teams working side by side

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxDA's Annual Board Meeting

2007-11-13 Thread Josh Seiden
Hi all, Just sending a reminder. Please keep sending us your your thoughts, suggestions, feedback, etc. Our Board meeting begins this Friday, and we'd love to hear from you: What can IxDA do for the community? What can the community do for IxDA? What can we do for we? Post your thoughts here,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] What comes first, the Design or the Technology ...

2007-11-13 Thread Jeff White
Doesn't seem strange to me at all. I'm thinking the sculptor has an idea of what she wants to make and picks the best stone for the task at hand. On Nov 13, 2007 7:50 AM, Adrian Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Nov 2007, at 21:57, Bryan Minihan wrote: [snip] In a perfect world, the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what are your fundamental tenets of design?

2007-11-13 Thread Robert Hoekman, Jr.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. (George Bernard Shaw) Sounds arrogant to some, I'm sure, but it's meant to show that those who make the most progress are

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IA Wiki 2.0? (was Prototypical)

2007-11-13 Thread Bryan Minihan
Why not identify Wikipedia entries that are lacking, and contribute to those as a community? That way, there's no need to build/manage a separate Wiki, and the IxDA.org site can just list those entries they feel need updating...and no one has to learn a new place to go for IxDA reference

Re: [IxDA Discuss] What comes first, the Design or the Technology ...

2007-11-13 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
I also think this sounds a little strange... shouldn't we design for our specific medium? The medium dictates how the user/viewer will interact with the product, and thus effect the design. I don't see any way around that Design for TV is intrinsically different than design for print, than

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what are your fundamental tenets of design?

2007-11-13 Thread Stew Dean
Best ever advice given to me about design is 'Avoid the arbitary'. Like many user experience people I use the term 'It depends' a lot. Stew Dean On 12/11/2007, Lisa deBettencourt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious about what you design by. What are your fundamental tenets of design; those

[IxDA Discuss] IxD Ethics: Business vs. User

2007-11-13 Thread Christopher Fahey
In the fundamental tenets of design thread, I had written as my third rule Don't lie (right after the similar Show sleazebags the door.). I really believe that, and as interaction designers I think we run into this question far more often than we think. Apparently lying to the user is

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IA Wiki 2.0? (was Prototypical)

2007-11-13 Thread Robert Barlow-Busch
Seeing as I never used it, either, there must have been something wrong with it. What was it? Well, one problem was technical. A few times in the past year, I've tried to add or edit content, only to get an error. If I'm remembering correctly, the error was something along the lines of out of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IA Wiki 2.0? (was Prototypical)

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Howard
On 13 Nov 2007, at 16:38, Robert Barlow-Busch wrote: Seeing as I never used it, either, there must have been something wrong with it. What was it? Well, one problem was technical. A few times in the past year, I've tried to add or edit content, only to get an error. If I'm remembering

Re: [IxDA Discuss] What tools do you use for prototyping?

2007-11-13 Thread Adrian Howard
On 12 Nov 2007, at 03:19, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote: [snip] Ok. That's what I mean as well. So what's so controversial then about a prototype that basically acts just like the real thing? [snip] Nothing - but I'd tend to call it the product :-) Where does prototype end and initial version of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] What comes first, the Design or the Technology ...

2007-11-13 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
If it's not one of the major factors then what are you designing? Generally you will know that you are designing software, or a website, or a car, or a phone ... you can't just design a product .. you have to know what the product is ... and when you know what the product is then your medium and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IA Wiki 2.0? (was Prototypical)

2007-11-13 Thread Dan Saffer
On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Bryan Minihan wrote: Why not identify Wikipedia entries that are lacking, and contribute to those as a community? The basic interaction design entry (english) is atrocious. Let's start there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interaction_design Dan

Re: [IxDA Discuss] What comes first, the Design or the Technology ...

2007-11-13 Thread Jeff White
I think we're agreeing with each other and just getting hung up on semantics? Strange for this list :-) Regardless, my bottom line opinion is that business processes and the designs that support them should not be defined by the limitations of technology. Don't choose a technology, framework, etc

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Paper is not a prototyping tool

2007-11-13 Thread Stew Dean
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:40:59, David Malouf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the end what Andrei is saying (at least my interpretation) is that detailed models have to be a part of our design process if we are to indeed consider ourselves designers. Designers make things ... not semblances of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] What comes first, the Design or the Technology ...

2007-11-13 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
Agreed :) That's pretty much what I was saying, it seemed to me that the previous posts were saying the the design shouldn't be related to the technology at all, which isn't quite right. On Nov 13, 2007 12:11 PM, Jeff White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we're agreeing with each other and

[IxDA Discuss] Serena Composer (Now Free) vs. Axure RP

2007-11-13 Thread Mitchell Gass
Serena Prototype Composer is now free: http://www.serena.com/products/prototype-composer/home.html I'm currently using Axure RP, but it looks like SPC has some interesting capabilities. If any of you have used both, could you give us your thoughts? Thanks! Mitchell Gass uLab | PDA:

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxDA's Annual Board Meeting

2007-11-13 Thread pauric
Lisa, as we use google groups for local stuff. Could the same not be setup at a higher level for the chairs? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://gamma.ixda.org/discuss?post=22389

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxD Ethics: Business vs. User

2007-11-13 Thread Anne Hjortshoj
The problem with business practices like the ones followed by the various cell phone companies is that they create a huge opportunity for competitors. To grab market share, a new cell phone manufacturer/company only has to create a reasonable (vs. annoying) experience for its customers. Or at

[IxDA Discuss] JOB # SharePointDesigner # Redmond, WA # Recruiter # Contract

2007-11-13 Thread Theresa Roberts
Willing to flex those SharePoint muscles for us? Well then roll up your sleeves. As a SharePoint designer for this client you will be responsible for producing pixel perfect SharePoint web templates from existing designs. But wait! You get to flex both arms in this position because you also

[IxDA Discuss] JOB: Web DeveloperStrategist # Portland, OR # Recruiter # Contract

2007-11-13 Thread Theresa Roberts
Developer + Manager + Strategist = An Interview! This is a gig that is right up the alley for a developer who has the people skills to interact with clients, as well as the business mind to develop, articulate, and deliver strategies for clients. SITUATION This is an opportunity for

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what are your fundamental tenets of design?

2007-11-13 Thread Robert Hoekman, Jr.
I'm also fond of another Hemingway quote: I write one page of masterpiece to ninety one pages of shit...I try to put the shit in the wastebasket. Another good Hemingway quote is something like ... Write the story, take out all the good lines, and see if it still works. He's talking about

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxD Ethics: Business vs. User

2007-11-13 Thread Lisa deBettencourt
On 11/13/07, Christopher Fahey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think? Would you ever design a system this way, putting the business's needs above the user's needs? Even to the point of lying to the user? Wow. What if you *unknowingly* perpetuate the lie? Damn. I had no idea. (Although

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Serena Composer (Now Free) vs. Axure RP

2007-11-13 Thread Ari Feldman
it's very nice for free! as a product mgr, the structured workflow it provides is very attractive for my needs. i see it less useful for prototyping compared to Axure, however. that being said, it definitely seems to has features that Axure lacks (process/activity flows, tool integration, version

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Paper is not a prototyping tool

2007-11-13 Thread Michael Micheletti
A couple-few careers ago I was an aircraft mechanic at Boeing, first in the mockup shop, then on the flight test modification crew. I installed, removed, tweaked, measured, and cussed at a lot of very early stage designs. Sometimes those designs came from engineers who got it, like the two guys

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxDA's Annual Board Meeting

2007-11-13 Thread David Malouf
Hi Lisa, at last year's retreat we created an initiative called the play book. the idea was to convert it into a wiki that could be used as a collaboration space for anyone doing or even thinking about doing. We just never got it off the ground due to lack of resources and other pressing

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxD Ethics: Business vs. User

2007-11-13 Thread Mark Schraad
I distinctly remember an era of the Macintosh operation systems (early to mid 90's) when the slowness of the disc copy function was a primary complaint. In a subsequent release, the progress meter was sped up and then disappeared sooner, then there was an additional delay... before the copy

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Paper is not a prototyping tool

2007-11-13 Thread davewalker
Architects create models. In the old days, they created detailed physical models using little sticks of wood and paper. The bigger the project, the more detailed the model. The model would be part of their deliverable. Nowadays, architects often deliver extremely detailed Illustrations and 3D

[IxDA Discuss] Examples where personas are *not* useful

2007-11-13 Thread oliver green
Hi everyone, I am trying to understand the finer nuances of using personas. The various articles/book chapters that I have read talk about instances where using personas would be useful. But I feel that to really understand a methodology, one should be familiar with the weaknesses as well. So,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IA Wiki 2.0? (was Prototypical)

2007-11-13 Thread Eric Scheid
On 14/11/07 2:53 AM, Christopher Fahey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also think this is a great idea. Wasn't there already an IA Wiki? Seems to be dead now. http://www.iawiki.org/ Comatose, not dead - the server blew up. I'm relocating it to a new service, and taking the opportunity to examine

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IA Wiki 2.0? (was Prototypical)

2007-11-13 Thread Christian Crumlish
The host/owner of IA wiki became unable to maintain it. The IA Institute offered to take it over and it's part of our larger IA resources initiative to relaunch it, along with IA slash and our own library and tools collections. We'll keep you posted on our progress over here, but in the meantime

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Examples where personas are *not* useful

2007-11-13 Thread Alan Cooper
Oliver, The place where personas would not be useful is where the persona is elaborate camouflage for a designer creating self-referential solutions. In other words, personas help designers design for users. When personas are used to help designers design for themselves instead, that would be

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what are your fundamental tenets of design?

2007-11-13 Thread Jens Meiert
Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler. That is indeed an awesome quote, both so true and challenging. -- Jens Meiert http://meiert.com/en/ *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in

[IxDA Discuss] IxDA SF: In The Moment: UX research about life instead of just interfaces - Tomorrow Night!

2007-11-13 Thread Joshua Kaufman
In The Moment: UX research about life instead of just interfaces http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/312297/ IxDA SF returns with its third event in our design tools series. This month we present Nate Bolt, CEO of Bolt | Peters, as he presents UX research about life. Not all UX research is about

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxDA's Annual Board Meeting

2007-11-13 Thread Lisa deBettencourt
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:40:41, David Malouf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the issue is that local-leaders seem to be focused totally locally, but what we are talking about here is a global initiative to help local groups. Sometimes you need to think locally and act globally. ;) Since Boston

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxDA's Annual Board Meeting

2007-11-13 Thread Petteri Hiisilä
Robert Reimann kirjoitti 10.11.2007 kello 20:58: * Our next retreat will be in November 2007—the end of this month. We're writing now to share our plans and get your input. A question-built-in-a-rant follows, I don't know if this should be in the agenda for IxDA (what do you think?) ...

[IxDA Discuss] JOB: Senior Interaction Designer - A Leading Internet Company, Silicon Valley, Recruiter, Full Time

2007-11-13 Thread Eric Manke
Title: Senior Interaction Designer Location: Silicon Valley Compensation: Flexible + bonus + stock Status: Full-time A leading Internet company is searching for a Senior Interaction Designer to work on content for a popular site. The Senior Interaction Designer will help to define the user

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IA Wiki 2.0? (was Prototypical)

2007-11-13 Thread dave malouf
What do people think about this resource? http://www.interaction-design.org/ I know that UXNet tried to start a relationship with this initiative awhile ago, but I never saw anything come of it. Despite the title of interaction-design is it really interaction design or is it just UX? -- dave .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] what are your fundamental tenets of design?

2007-11-13 Thread Robert Hoekman, Jr.
Great question, btw. It occurred to me I haven't actually answered it, only offered a Hemingway quote. So here's my list. 1) Challenge standards, all the time, every time, because they can always be improved. This includes design and process standards. 2) Never, ever stop asking questions (What

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Are required field notations really necessary with radio button selections?

2007-11-13 Thread Steve Baty
Stephen, it's possible to code radio button sets so that no option is selected by default (by leaving out the 'selected' attribute of all elements in the set). This is often more useful as it forces a decision by the user instead of allowing them to roll on through the form without consideration.

[IxDA Discuss] Songza

2007-11-13 Thread David Malouf
Aza Raskin (invited speaker to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah), just posted a new application which show cases many of the interface theories that he and his company, Humanized, have been talking about and he will talk about at the conference (http://interaction08.ixda.org/). The new application

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Are required field notations really necessary withradio button selections?

2007-11-13 Thread Caroline Jarrett
- Original Message - From: Stephen Dondershine [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Does one necessarily need to add an asterisk indicating that a selection is required for a radio button selection form input? : : It seems to me that one can argue two ways: : : 1.) The fact that some item in the radio

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Are required field notations really necessary withradio button selections?

2007-11-13 Thread Steve Baty
It _can_ work if you indicate optional fields with the whole word as in (optional). Caroline, this is exactly what I had in mind, but the specifics didn't seem entirely relevant to the original question (so I lazily omitted them). Thank you for (not being so lazy and) adding that point for

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Songza

2007-11-13 Thread pauric
wow, I'm simply blown away by the UI. Very distinctive controls, layout flow. I expect we might see more niche search engines also differentiate with novel/innovative UI designs. e.g. http://www.kayak.com/moby/ (not a lot going on with style, but the interaction thinking is good) Thanks for

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxD Ethics: Business vs. User

2007-11-13 Thread Jim Drew
Bryan Minihan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I lump myself in the above group, so I'm not making fun of anyone. I just think we are convinced by all manner of surreptitious means, to NEED to use cell phones[...] Amen. How did our parents manage to go to the movies or out to dinner without the kids?

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxD Ethics: Business vs. User

2007-11-13 Thread Steve Baty
On 14/11/2007, Mark Schraad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are relative and fuzzy scale indicators. They may not be linear, but how do we know that they do not accurately reflect the situation.. The second half of a tank of gas in my car always goes faster than the first... Mark, if my

[IxDA Discuss] Songza Compare Seeqpod

2007-11-13 Thread lisa herrod
Hi all I think the Songza interface is far more interesting when you compare it with Seeqpod.com. Seeqpod has offered a very similar service for quite some time. While Songza is more visually attractive to me, I think seeqpod is much easier to interact with and use. I'd be interested to know