Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-24 Thread Santiago Bustelo
"Restricted format" approachs (as splitting input in many fields, or worse, using pull-down menus) add: - innecessary keystrokes or clicks and / or - need to move the hand off the keyboard to the mouse and back, and - mental preparation steps (splitting time in hours / minutes) The last two are the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-24 Thread Steven Chalmers
Matthijs: I have to respectfully disagree with nearly everything in your post. Ensuring valid input based on process is nearly guaranteed to fail and ultimately would cost far more than implementing my required javascript. I don't believe there is only one group that can tell me what the right c

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-24 Thread Fredrik Matheson
Hmm … I'm not quite sure I understood your point about hitting hitting zero nine times to enter "0900". If there are two fields/drop-downs, you press tab to enter the field, press "9" (and the field knows that must mean "09" as the first number can't exceed 2), and tab past the minute field, onto t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-24 Thread Micah Freedman
> The edit box should have supporting javascript to allow somewhat > flexible input. For instance the user should be able to enter the > following values for 7 am: > > 700 > 0700 > 07:00 I think this is the right approach. I'd add "7" and "7:00" to the list of acceptable inputs for 7 am. I think

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-24 Thread Matthijs Rouw
I don't really agree that a forgiving format should be implemented here. This might very well be a matter of process than just technical. And sometimes, a rule is simply a rule and people need to learn about that once - important is how you teach them. Programming a forgiving input field costs heap

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-22 Thread Martin
I'm with Mark on this one. This is a place where the Forgiving Formatdesign pattern would work well. Cheers, -- Martin Polley Technical writer, interaction designer +972 52 3864280 ___

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-22 Thread Mark Canlas
; Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:23 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web > > > > I agree with steve.schang. What are you trying to fix? Can you > > simply use the same input mechanism they are using on t

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-22 Thread Steven Chalmers
Shannon: Thanks, that helps a lot. Since your users are comfortable entering military time you should take advantage of that since it simplifies the UI in that you don't need to include a place for them to enter AM versus PM. The edit box in which they will type the time should only allow numbers

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-22 Thread Sorensen, Shannon M - MWL
: Fredrik Matheson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:51 PM To: Sorensen, Shannon M - MWL Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web In that case, I'd say it's more a case of the users having enjoyed the luxury of entering

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-22 Thread Fredrik Matheson
In that case, I'd say it's more a case of the users having enjoyed the luxury of entering imprecise data and that it's merely a matter of making them aware of the change to more precise time notation. We use 24-hour time notation here in Norway and I find it far more precise than AM/PM time – I can

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-22 Thread Sorensen, Shannon M - MWL
es, so they can know longer be freeform text. > -Original Message- > From: Steven Chalmers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:23 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web > > I agree with steve.schang. Wh

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-22 Thread Steven Chalmers
I agree with steve.schang. What are you trying to fix? Can you simply use the same input mechanism they are using on the green screen? You say that you would like to reduce potential errors but what errors are they experiencing right now? Steven Chalmers . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-22 Thread steve . schang
What kind of errors are you trying to prevent? My experience with 24-hr time is that it is easier to enter because each time is only used once each day. For example you can't get confused as to which 12:00 o'clock it is, it can either be 12:00 or 24:00. Are you working on a U.S. military appli

[IxDA Discuss] Entering military time on web

2008-07-22 Thread Sorensen, Shannon M - MWL
Hello, I am working on a web site where folks need to enter a time. Currently they use and are comfortable with military time on a green screen. I'd like to reduce potential errors by using a select input, but what a pain it is when using a keyboard. Other considerations are using standard time ,a