Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thought experiment: Law against usability that's TOO good?

2010-01-11 Thread Dimiter Simov
: [IxDA Discuss] Thought experiment: Law against usability that's TOO good? I had a feeling we were both honing in on the same goals, Jaanus, and weren't really too far off. I'm just sensitive to the neutral tool argument because at one time I tried to hold to that reasoning, and was shown how it didn't

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thought experiment: Law against usability that's TOO good?

2010-01-11 Thread j. eric townsend
R. Groot wrote: Companies like Google and Apple have gotten so skilled in getting it right, in having such an outstanding user experience, that we are drawn to their products like months to a flame. They're also skilled in buying companies who got it right and burying it when they get it

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thought experiment: Law against usability that's TOO good?

2010-01-10 Thread James Page
Christine, You make an intresting point. Some academic claim that Usability is not Science but instead an ethic. See Paul Cairns Harold Thimbleby 2008 http://en.scientificcommons.org/42316368 I am not fully convinced of this but I think it is an intresting argument. If Usability is an Ethic

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thought experiment: Law against usability that's TOO good?

2010-01-10 Thread j. eric townsend
R. Groot wrote: Companies like Google and Apple have gotten so skilled in getting it right, in having such an outstanding user experience, that we are drawn to their products like months to a flame. They're also skilled in buying companies who got it right and burying it when they get it

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thought experiment: Law against usability that's TOO good?

2010-01-10 Thread Jaanus Kase
Christine, I agree with what you say and I did not think that aspect through enough when posting. I subscribe to everything that you say; additionally, I like the research that says that our language affects our thinking, and that it has been proven that the thought patterns of different

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thought experiment: Law against usability that's TOO good?

2010-01-10 Thread Christine Boese
I had a feeling we were both honing in on the same goals, Jaanus, and weren't really too far off. I'm just sensitive to the neutral tool argument because at one time I tried to hold to that reasoning, and was shown how it didn't hold up. But we hold the same values, and I really like that we're

[IxDA Discuss] Thought experiment: Law against usability that's TOO good?

2010-01-09 Thread R. Groot
Dear all, Since some time I have been playing around with something and I would like to share it with you to pick your brains. I see it as a thought experiment and therefore it might seem a little overboard. But nevertheless I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on this. -- My

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thought experiment: Law against usability that's TOO good?

2010-01-09 Thread Jaanus Kase
There%u2019s a difference between usability, and the business objectives for which usability and design is being used. You are talking about business objectives. Usability is a method to achieve those business objectives, and is a general societal concept next to things like Internet, electricity

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Thought experiment: Law against usability that's TOO good?

2010-01-09 Thread Christine Boese
I think I'd have to respectfully disagree, Jaanus. Your position appears to be a variation of what is usually referred to as the neutral tool argument, a position that pops up in many different contexts and situations, from the U.S. NRA slogan, Guns don't kill people, people kill people, to the