Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Maxim Dubinin
Title: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010? Simon, I was merely suggesting an approach. As I said, we didn't have a goal to inform other what Desktop GIS is the best, we just wanted to present a model dataset for many different packages, so that a person

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] An interesting article about software licensing in the non-open source geospatial world

2009-12-20 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Venkatesh Raghavan wrote: Frank Frank Warmerdam wrote: ... Building on software distributed under well understood and relatively unrestrictive open source licenses can help a great deal. Could you let me know what would the "relatively unrestrictive open source licenses" be. Venka, It dep

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] An interesting article about software licensing in the non-open source geospatial world

2009-12-20 Thread Venkatesh Raghavan
Frank Frank Warmerdam wrote: ... Building on software distributed under well understood and relatively unrestrictive open source licenses can help a great deal. Could you let me know what would the "relatively unrestrictive open source licenses" be. ___

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Simon Cropper (Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd)
Title: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010? Maxim, I looked at the webpage but could not find an outcome -- which system worked the best? Cheers Simon Simon Cropper Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd PO Box 160, Sunshine, Victoria 3020. P: 9311 5822. M: 04

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Maxim Dubinin
Title: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010? Sometime ago, we were also interested in why are there so many desktop open GIS packages. So what we did was the following, we created a model project with several groups of different type layers and recreated i

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Agustin Diez Castillo
Simon, I agree 99% with you, but why you left Mac out of the tests. AFAICT Grass, Qgis, Udig, OpenJump, OrbisGis, geoserver, mapserver and somehow gvSIG work on Mac. Agustin > > > > > > > > I agree with Stefan. > > I have found comparison tables of little use as the compiler has to > s

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Simon Cropper (Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd)
I agree with Stefan. I have found comparison tables of little use as the compiler has to summarize what is probably quite complex routines. They rarely give a potential user like myself the complete picture. My view has been that the only way to evaluate the usefulness of a program is to use

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] An interesting article about software licensing in the non-open source geospatial world

2009-12-20 Thread Frank Warmerdam
Schlagel, Joel D. IWR wrote: http://www.thestreet.com/story/10640248/1/tech-rights-give-companies-upper-h and.html Joel, A lot of this article seems to be a contract dispute rather than a software licensing dispute. An interesting point is that if Netezza had secured the software from Intell

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread andrea antonello
When I started organising the Italian Desktop comparison, I tried to involve both the community of developers and users. Regarding developers, you might remember an email asking the QGis and gvSig for a first meeting in Sydney to which I got no answer. So nothing happened from that side. Also as m

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Brian Russo
You're absolutely right, pretend I said collaborate instead of consolidate. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Paul Ramsey wrote: > I'll do that talk, if there's really interest in it, but it has > nothing to do with technology or desktops, it's sociology and > psychology. And no, efforts cannot "

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Paul Ramsey
I'll do that talk, if there's really interest in it, but it has nothing to do with technology or desktops, it's sociology and psychology. And no, efforts cannot "be consolidated" (active intervention) they "may consolidate" (natural progression). P. - Why? "Because, we felt like it, and we knew b

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Stefan Steiniger
mhm.. I like that idea (and also have some answers - that I got from the iGeoDesktop Crew and OrbisGIS, two pretty new Desktop GIS). but here the question: is it as valuable for the end user? or rather "our" thing. Brian Russo schrieb: I think a more interesting presentation would be why ther

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Brian Russo
I think a more interesting presentation would be why there are so many desktop GIS packages, the consequent pros/cons, and if/how efforts could be consolidated. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Stefan Steiniger wrote: > Hei all, > > thanks for Cameron on keeping me in the loop, and to Markus for

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Stefan Steiniger
Hei all, thanks for Cameron on keeping me in the loop, and to Markus for remembering :) I am now subscribed to this list. I think Pauls idea sounds interesting - because this whole comparison thing is a) quite cumbersome when we have 10 desktop GIS (+ X), and b) neither really worth because

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Stefan Steiniger
Hei all, thanks for Cameron on keeping me in the loop, and to Markus for remembering :) I am now subscribed to this list. I think Pauls idea sounds interesting - because this whole comparison thing is a) quite cumbersome when we have 10 desktop GIS (+ X), and b) neither really worth because des

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Cameron Shorter ha scritto: A couple of links to reviews of desktop clients at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Case_Studies#Review_of_Open_Source_Desktop_Clients In particular Stefan's summary of clients is the best I've seen so far. http://www.spatialserver.net/osgis/ is quite comprehensive. Th

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Paul Ramsey
Interested in a different approach that is lower impact, but still interesting and entertaining? Have developers review a "competing" project and then present their findings, in the form of "What I love about ___, what I hate about". Jody Garnett presents "What I love about QGIS, what I hate a

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Cameron Shorter
A couple of links to reviews of desktop clients at: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Case_Studies#Review_of_Open_Source_Desktop_Clients In particular Stefan's summary of clients is the best I've seen so far. http://www.spatialserver.net/osgis/ is quite comprehensive. The steps I see toward kicking off

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Markus Neteler
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Paolo Cavallini wrote: > sampe...@gmail.com ha scritto: >> >> A feature comparison is a good start and many masters projects have >> already done that as well as xcompare them to closed source desktop apps. >> > Hi. > I only have seen a few, rather incomplete, comp

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Paolo Cavallini
sampe...@gmail.com ha scritto: A feature comparison is a good start and many masters projects have already done that as well as xcompare them to closed source desktop apps. Hi. I only have seen a few, rather incomplete, comparisons: do you have links for more? Thanks. All the best. ___

[OSGeo-Discuss] An interesting article about software licensing in the non-open source geospatial world

2009-12-20 Thread Schlagel, Joel D. IWR
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10640248/1/tech-rights-give-companies-upper-h and.html -joel -- Joel D. Schlagel US Army Engineer Institute for Water Resources http://www.iwr.usace.army.mil/email: joel.d.schla...@us.army.mil ___ Discuss m

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout atFOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread samper . d
Also keep in mind, unlike windows specific applications many foss4g apps rely on shared libraries like OGR and back end DB's. So the testing is not just of the application but also the libs and DB's. A feature comparison is a good start and many masters projects have already done that as well a

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Re: Will there be an OSGeo Desktop shootout at FOSS4G 2010?

2009-12-20 Thread Paolo Cavallini
On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:59:32 +1100, Cameron Shorter wrote: > Andrea, > That looks like an excellent basis to start from. > > Were the results of the desktop comparison written up somewhere? > > While a feature comparison is valuable, the end user is also interested > is other metrics which are