On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Peter Baumann
wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> while OSGeo and rasdaman share the strive for quality we come from different
> approaches: OSGeo believes in the power of committees and strong regulation
> whereas rasdaman has a culture of unbureaucratic, technocracy based
On 11 May 2016 at 10:56, Peter Baumann wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> while OSGeo and rasdaman share the strive for quality we come from different
> approaches: OSGeo believes in the power of committees and strong regulation
> whereas rasdaman has a culture of unbureaucratic, technocracy based
> collab
are already witness to the resultant mass migrations
> and accompanying specie extinctions, estimated at 200 per day and rising.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At what point do we embrace our collective need to work together,
> encouraging creativity an
t understand. Humble apologies
for that. Regardless, the future awaits our better nature or she’s not there at
all.
-Patrick
From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Peter
Baumann
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:25 AM
To: Cameron Shorter; Even Rouault; incuba
ace our collective need to
work together, encouraging creativity and adjusting adaptability for a world
that celebrates our finite resources. This will take a ^cornucopia^ of open
source solutions, regardless of the path used to grow them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Might OSGEO
>>>>> stretch those old limbs in a limber-up kind of way. Though they be not
>>>>>> as old as some of us OS geospatial projects!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are accelerating into a new world, one where climate chaos is a daily
>
mbrace our collective need to work together,
>>>>> encouraging creativity and adjusting adaptability for a world that
>>>>> celebrates our finite resources. This will take a ^cornucopia^ of open
>>>>> source solutions, regardless of the path us
grow them.
>>>>
>>>> Might OSGEO be more adept at encouraging and supporting open source
>>>> geospatial solutions, however they exist?
>>>>
>>>> A smart quote goes here, but I am at a loss for which one. Maybe something
>>>&g
eanor
>>> Roosevelt “The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their
>>> dreams.” To which I say, without a beautiful future, we shall have none.
>>> Open OSGeo Open. . .
>>>
>>> Whether for naïveté or ignorance, much I do not understa
;>
>> -Patrick
>>
>> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Peter
>> Baumann
>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:25 AM
>> To: Cameron Shorter; Even Rouault; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org
>> Cc: OSGeo Discussions
>> Subject: R
On 05/05/16 12:24, Peter Baumann wrote:
OSGeo is entering new domains with rasdaman, which is: scientific
research projects. Like some other communities, these have existed long
before OSGeo, and have their own ethics, procedures, and rules. It is
unlikely that science will change and give up fre
understand. Humble
> apologies for that. Regardless, the future awaits our better nature or
> she’s not there at all.
> >
> > -Patrick
> >
> > From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
> Peter Baumann
> > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:
;
> -Patrick
>
> From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Peter
> Baumann
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 3:25 AM
> To: Cameron Shorter; Even Rouault; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org
> Cc: OSGeo Discussions
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator]
Discussions
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] Should OSGeo accept "benevolent
dictator" projects into OSGeo?
Hi Cameron,
I tried very much to make the situation transparent. Maybe the notion of
Principal Investigator helps here (cf Wikipedia - although biased towards
medical sc
Wikipedia has a page full of Open Source Benevolent Dictators For Life (BDFL)
for very successful projects (Linux, Ruby, Python, Blender, Django, OpenBSD,
Drupal, WordPress, Perl) -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_Dictator_for_Life
I'm not sure how many have foundational approval, or ha
I have been quietly following this and find validity in both points.
However, one thing is puzzling me. OSGeo has other projects that have come
from the research environment (Mapserver and Grass come to mind but there
are probably more). What is different about rasdaman?
On May 5, 2016 05:25, "Pe
Hi Peter,
Let me ask you: what do you hope to gain by getting an OSGeo mark? And,
whatever that is, is that worth all this negotiation?
Personally, I use a product if it is good for me, not because it has a certain
blessing on it. There are many non-OSGeo products I use, and there are many
OSG
This is not a new conversation; it has been the central work of incubation
- which is proving unsuccessful in this case.
It was raised some time ago - I remember heartfelt conversations in foss4g
2013, working on governance model is part of what osgeo incubation is about
(it is a bit of the advoca
Ok,
We have reached an impass on progressing Rasdaman incubation.
* Peter has made it clear that he intends to personally remain in
control of Rasdaman.
* We have an incubation criteria which suggests (without specifically
mandating) shared control through a Project Management Committee. [1]
*
Hi Cameron,
I tried very much to make the situation transparent. Maybe the notion of
Principal Investigator helps here (cf Wikipedia - although biased towards
medical science):
/A //*principal investigator*//(//*PI*//) is the holder of an independent grant
administered by a university and the lea
Hi Peter,
Could you please answer Even and Johan's question.
I'm happy to use another term for the governance model.
"Does one person have ultimate control over the project? Or does
ultimate control lie with a committee, possibly with a tie breaker vote
designated to one person or one role (eg
Le mercredi 04 mai 2016 20:39:30, Paolo Corti a écrit :
> > I tend to agree with Patrick's position. I think what matters in the end
> > is the license the code is released, as long as forking is allowed,
> > whether is a committee or a single person taking decisions about
> > developing may lead o
>
> I tend to agree with Patrick's position. I think what matters in the end is
> the license the code is released, as long as forking is allowed, whether is
> a committee or a single person taking decisions about developing may lead or
> may not to a successful project according to several factors
Evan wrote: "Actually reading http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance it
seems the sentence
that cause trouble is "Should such consent exceptionally not be reached then
Peter Baumann has a casting vote." Does that mean that in case there's a tie
in voting (which cannot happen with a 3 member PSC as
Le mercredi 04 mai 2016 18:34:27, Peter Baumann a écrit :
> HI Cameron,
>
> first, as this word has been used too often now, the current model has
> nothing at all to do with dictatorship. What is the suggested opposite,
> BTW - "dictatorship of majorities"? ;-)
Actually reading http://www.rasdam
>From the discussion so far it sounds as all that is needed is for Rasdaman
to designate it's collection of committers as a PSC and carry on with out
all this fuss.
There is no restriction on how many people you have on your PSC if you can
manage them. And it is worth noting that the current PSCs d
HI Cameron,
first, as this word has been used too often now, the current model has nothing
at all to do with dictatorship. What is the suggested opposite, BTW -
"dictatorship of majorities"? ;-)
If it would at least be called a "technocracy", that I could accept: rasdaman
has always been driven b
Hi Peter,
Are you open to considering relinquishing rasdaman's current "benevolent
dictator" governance model?
Many (most?) OSGeo projects that I'm aware of are managed similarly to
your description below.
There is usually a sage or two amongst the community, typically someone
who founded the
Hello Johan,
Please see:
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2016-May/003012.html
Bruce
> First of all, I'm a bit disappointed that this issue is only raised
> now, when the final vote for graduating is taking place. For the
> future I think it should be clearer for projects what rules
Hello everyone,
First of all, I'm a bit disappointed that this issue is only raised
now, when the final vote for graduating is taking place. For the
future I think it should be clearer for projects what rules have to be
obliged much earlier.
Just this week, in another conversation I mentioned tha
interesting discussion, with valuable thoughts!
True, micro management is not the case in rasdaman - on the contrary, we are
most happy about helping hands, and are constantly thinking about opportunities
for process improvements. Personally, I am so much overloaded that I enjoy
handing over tasks
On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Cameron Shorter
wrote:
> OSGeo discuss, OSGeo incubation, OSGeo board,
>
> I'm hoping the greater OSGeo community will consider and comment on this
> question:
>
> Should OSGeo accept a "benevolent dictator" [1] governance model for
> incubating projects?
>
> -0 fr
sgeo.org] On Behalf Of
Julien-Samuel Lacroix
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 4:54 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] Should OSGeo accept "benevolent
dictator" projects into OSGeo?
I found this nice description of the benevolent dic
I found this nice description of the benevolent dictator governance:
http://oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/benevolentdictatorgovernancemodel
It's a nice read, but I want to highlight this part:
> In many ways, the role of the benevolent dictator is less about
> dictatorship and more about diplomacy.
Since this particular topic is a hard discussion (with a projects status in
our community on the line) I do not wish to replay it for an audience.
OSGeo as an organization is responsible for fostering projects; working
through these issues needs to be supportive.
In incubation we try and tackle th
Hi,
On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) <
patrick.ho...@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Jody,
>
>
>
> Despite the infinite respect I have for your opinion and the Boundless
> organization, sincerely, I couldn’t more heartily disagree. At least I
> think I am disagreeing.
>
>
>
> Open sourc
Before commenting further I suggest to put the paragraph that is being
discussed on top of the email - benevolent dictator sounds much worse than
what is being proposed.
The Governance model includes a statement:
"In all issues, the PSC strives to achieve unanimous consent based on a
free, indepen
On 01/05/16 13:29, Jody Garnett wrote:
This is kind of a larger topic than just the incubation committee, but
no I do not believe we should. It is a defining characteristic of our
foundation to not place many restrictions on our projects - but demand
that the projects be inclusive and open to col
Hi Jody and others,
Apart from the discussion here at this list, this might be a nice
subject for a "topic talk" (a discussion on a specific theme) in August
at FOSS4G in Bonn.
If annybody is willing to take the lead in this, we (=the Bonn LOC) can
see if we can fit this in the program)
Che
A PSC is not required for any OSGeo project (even a graduated project) -
being inclusive is. The GeoNode project is an example in incubation that
forms a leadership team based on recent committers as I understand it. The
benevolent dictator model does not meet this inclusive requirement, Cameron
su
om copyleft
> to benevolent dictator.
>
> -Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *Jody
> Garnett
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 1, 2016 4:30 AM
> *To:* Cameron Shorter
> *Cc:* OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org
> *
On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> This is kind of a larger topic than just the incubation committee, but no
> I do not believe we should. It is a defining characteristic of our
> foundation to not place many restrictions on our projects - but demand that
> the projects be incl
-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jody Garnett
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 4:30 AM
To: Cameron Shorter
Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incuba...@lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Incubator] Should OSGeo accept "benevolent
dictator" projects into OSGeo?
This is kind of a larger topic
This is kind of a larger topic than just the incubation committee, but no I
do not believe we should. It is a defining characteristic of our foundation
to not place many restrictions on our projects - but demand that the
projects be inclusive and open to collaboration.
I do not believe that the "b
OSGeo discuss, OSGeo incubation, OSGeo board,
I'm hoping the greater OSGeo community will consider and comment on this
question:
Should OSGeo accept a "benevolent dictator" [1] governance model for
incubating projects?
-0 from me, Cameron Shorter.
Background:
* As part of incubation, Peter
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