Eric,
Now you're talk'in. Sure took this thread long enough to get here. :c)
The Stick method allows for exactly what Eric describes, ease of use. The same
sorts of things I'm running into for Emergency Preparedness materials, I'm
currently putting together as a prototype. I've been
...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Mateusz Loskot
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 11:21 AM
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Eric Wolf wrote:
I surely don't need another project right now, but I've been trolling
to
find a co-author to create a cookbook-style Python
Fawcett, David david.fawc...@state.mn.us wrote:
Mateusz,
Thanks for posting this reference, I wasn't aware of it. It is a gold
mine!
Obviously, thanks to Chris for putting this course together and making
it available to the world too.
David.
Wow, yes it's great isn't it? Even
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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:50 AM
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Hi
Local OSGeo chapters
Charlie Schweik wrote:
.
This connects back to my earlier education post that Frank Warmerdam
responded to. He asked:
I would have thought it would be more productive to take existing
curriculum guidelines and get project support in rebuilding them around
foss projects/products.
Ian Turton wrote:
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Charlie Schweik
cschw...@pubpol.umass.edu wrote:
I'm also wondering if we could get some funding somewhere to hold an invited
workshop (that pays for people to attend) to really dig into this.
http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/gpg/nsf04_23/2.jsp#IID7
As Ian said, the Universities are stuck in a vicious circle. Believe it or
not, faculty do try to teach a GIScience that is independent of any
particular software package. But the perspective ends up being that ESRI
provides both the tools and teaching materials in a consistent manner. If
the
Eric Wolf wrote:
I surely don't need another project right now, but I've been trolling to
find a co-author to create a cookbook-style Python geoprocessing book that
uses GDAL/OGR and other FOSS libraries. This would be considered a text for
a fairly advanced GIS course.
Eric,
You may want to
Hi Eric,
Maybe we should focus on a GIS on a stick product rather than a LiveDVD?
We (CASCADOSS project) have been using our own distro for the training. You
will find it here: http://cascadoss.competterra.com/cascadoss.php?livedvd_en
I am not entirely sure, but I think Compet-Terra developed a
2009 12:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
A good discussion and one which is important for OSGeo's
future. I agree with Cédric's initial statement that The
OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input
from management, end user
- Eric Wolf ebw...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Maybe we should focus on a GIS on a stick product rather than a
LiveDVD?
Jo Cook wrote you a Windows one of those already :) - so you could even give to
the students for ongoing use of the tools and data. And of course that is about
as
on their Syllabus, and OSGeo India chapter
is helping them teach.
Cheers
Ravi Kumar
--- On Fri, 2/10/09, Agustin Diez Castillo agustin.d...@uv.es wrote:
From: Agustin Diez Castillo agustin.d...@uv.es
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
To: Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com, OSGeo
Ravi wrote:
'Universities should teach only with FOSS'
Wish academia think like that.
Part of the issue is getting faculty to learn themselves and make the
shift. This underlies what I am getting at. I need to learn it. Busy
faculty teach what they have learned in the past. I'm currently
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Charlie Schweik
cschw...@pubpol.umass.edu wrote:
I'm also wondering if we could get some funding somewhere to hold an invited
workshop (that pays for people to attend) to really dig into this.
http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/gpg/nsf04_23/2.jsp#IID7 - I'm game to aid
A good discussion and one which is important for OSGeo's future. I agree
with Cédric's initial statement that The OSGEO is very developer centric
and probably need more input from management, end user, marketing etc...
and I think that the responses to this thread reflect that. Most developers
in
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Peter Batty pe...@ebatty.com wrote:
I think that programs to encourage greater use of OSGeo products in
universities would be a great idea too - ESRI dominate in this area at the
moment, but this would be another way to get the word out to a broader
audience.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com wrote:
So *I* think that universities are a lost cause and we should focus on
high schools
Forget the great unwashed, think about providing useful materials
online to people who actually *want* to learn about the tools.
Hi,
2009/10/2 Ian Turton ijtur...@gmail.com:
Currently universities are locked in a vicious circle with GIS
software in that the students demand we teach them on ESRI software
because that's what employers want and employers use ESRI software as
that is what the universities are teaching the
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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Peter Batty pe...@ebatty.com wrote:
I think that programs to encourage greater use of OSGeo products in
universities would be a great idea
I think is the other way around, Universities should teach only with FOSS. I
like to think that at the universities we try to educate citizens no
technicians, so
if we want that our graduates become free citizens we only have a way to do so,
teach them with free tools. For years now, I've been
Agustin Diez Castillo agustin.d...@uv.es wrote:
you're right we should teach techniques and no software packages but more
than
that we should educate free citizens.
Truly, I can not understand why Universities teach closed knowledge when
we
should knowledge [openness is required to be
Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
I'm proposing the education group help match up existing FOSS teaching
material with a recognised curriculum. e.g. the curriculum might say that a
student needs to learn about geographic coordinate systems - so we match up
a module that provides sample data and
On Wed, September 30, 2009 18:49, Maxim Dubinin wrote:
Hi
Local OSGeo chapters are great, but how about existing non-OSGeo groups?
Does OSGeo have a strategy to
build communication with them?
Maxim
Maxim,
yes, OSGeo's intent it to embrace and support existing organizations with
the same
Hi,
I read these interesting answers and I'd like to bring my point of view. I
know, I'm quite new in the OSGEO world (1 year, previously by Autodesk and
other porprietary structures), but I'm sorry (and unhappy) to say that the
GIS leaders (ESRI, Autdoesk, Intergraph etc...) don't see OSGEO has
2009/9/30 Cédric Moullet cedric.moul...@camptocamp.com:
..
- The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from
management, end user, marketing etc...
..
noo!
Let our work, and not marketers and management, speak for us.
--
Puneet Kishor http://www.punkish.org
Christopher Schmidt wrote:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 04:28:20PM +0200, Cédric Moullet wrote:
I'm sorry (and unhappy) to say that the
GIS leaders (ESRI, Autdoesk, Intergraph etc...) don't see OSGEO has an
important contradictor: from my point of view, this is what needs to be
changed in the next 5
for good in that area.
-mpg
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Jacolin Yves wrote:
Hello Cédric,
I think more people think same as you relating this point of view :) :
Le Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:28:20 Cédric Moullet, vous avez écrit :
The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from
management, end user, marketing etc...
Rafal Wawer wrote:
Hi Frank, For your end-users I see a lot of opportunities in developing
countries,
Rafal,
So do I, particularly because I think in those countries people will
see that some elbow grease and investment in their own knowledge can
give them what they need for a low cost, and
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Christopher Schmidt
crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote:
For this reason, efforts like Marketing are (in my opinion) less important
than, for example, setting up a test server for running buildbot, or other
things that help software become successful.
I agree with
- Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote:
Speak to whom? Decision makers with no real knowledge of the thing
they are
signing off on, being advised by lazy people who have some
understanding but
want to ensure they cover their back and don't have to try too hard
rather
That kind of high-touch approach will have to be left to those (like,
hopefully OpenGeo) who are building and monetizing products around the
core software. The non-profit core organization can't do that unless
it's willing to become much more vendor-like, which is something OSGeo
has repeatedly
Frank Warmerdam wrote:
I would instead express this as OSGeo needs end users (including their
managers), and those interested in it's marketting (which I would prefer
to call promotion) to get more actively involved and contribute.
Education activities are, of course, one form of promotion.
Local OSGeo chapters are great, but how about existing non-OSGeo
groups? Does OSGeo have a strategy to
build communication with them?
You mean groups like local ESRI chapters, ASPRS chapters, GIS professionals,
etc?
I'd encourage the local chapters to find such non-OSGeo local groups and
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 04:24:37PM +, Chris Puttick wrote:
- Christopher Schmidt crschm...@crschmidt.net wrote:
Speak to whom? Decision makers with no real knowledge of the thing
they are
signing off on, being advised by lazy people who have some
understanding but
want
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:36:35AM -0700, Paul Ramsey wrote:
That kind of high-touch approach will have to be left to those (like,
hopefully OpenGeo) who are building and monetizing products around the
core software. The non-profit core organization can't do that unless
it's willing to become
Jacolin Yves yjaco...@free.fr wrote:
Hello Cédric,
I think more people think same as you relating this point of view :) :
Le Wednesday 30 September 2009 16:28:20 Cédric Moullet, vous avez écrit :
The OSGEO is very developer centric and probably need more input from
management, end user,
massimodisa...@yahoo.it wrote:
From: Massimo Di Stefano massimodisa...@yahoo.it
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years for OSGeo
To: OSGeo Discussions discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Date: Monday, 28 September, 2009, 11:14 PM
Hi All,
I agree with you i think we need a local chapter policy
Arnulf Christl (OSGeo) wrote:
I want to add that for me it is also a goal to limit OSGeo's growth wrt
the number of paid staff and budget. We can make good use with 100k more
for hardware, services and to have more reserves for the conferences.
But I believe that we should not let the budget
Howard,
your list looks good to me. OSGeo should focus on:
* Local Chapters
* Conferences (FOSS4G + many, many localized versions)
* Global strategic binding (that is cross project, journal, marketing, etc.)
I want to add that for me it is also a goal to limit OSGeo's growth wrt
the number of
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:40:17PM -0500, Howard Butler wrote:
On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over
the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the
matter
and pool a few of the
Hi All,
I agree with you i think we need a local chapter policy, to
redistribute knowledge and organizational experience through the LC,
helping ourselves to organize hack meetings and local conferences.
I think we also need to focus on an educational strategy to promote
FOSS inside
Dear all,
I think that organizations like OSGeo have the difficult task to combine
two - not always compatible - lines of action:
a/ expand our user base
b/ foster the open source software development projects
In that sense we are a bit different from organizations like Apache
Foundation,
Dimitris Kotzinos ha scritto:
Dear all,
I think that organizations like OSGeo have the difficult task to combine
two - not always compatible - lines of action:
One thing I would like to see is more infrastructure for projects: I think this
would make life
easier for several projects, and it
In my opinion, a major challenge is to extend OSGeo beyond it's
present topical range. Presently, OSGeo deals mainly with classical
GIS, webmapping, and underlying technologies (generalised). I think
this is also captured in this thread where references to and
comparison with commercial
Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps.
+1, from a software point of view.
I can compare my experience as a user and programmer in the last five years
with OSGeo (and other FOSS tools) against my parallel experience with
ArcGIS, Erdas, Isatis, etc. A very sinthetic
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Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps.
data format
sambale
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Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps.
data format libraries - done!
algorithm/analytic libraries = +1 . GRASS has an extensive collection.
Would be good
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[mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Howard Butler
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What I'd like to see within the next 5 years would be more analytical
tools. Most of the projects in OSGeo are very much enablers: they put
the facilities in place for people to program their own tools. However,
as I have noticed over the years
09/14/2009 11:47 Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Next 5 years
PMfor OSGeo
Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over
the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the matter
and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst
committees, projects, chapters and the board.
It's also a good way for the board
What I'd like to see within the next 5 years would be more analytical
tools. Most of the projects in OSGeo are very much enablers: they put
the facilities in place for people to program their own tools. However,
as I have noticed over the years, people are reluctant to move to open
source
On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo over
the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the
matter
and pool a few of the ideas together for further discussions amongst
committees,
On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:40 PM, Howard Butler wrote:
On Sep 14, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) wrote:
Hi everyone, a recent chat I was asked about our vision for OSGeo
over
the next 3 and 5 years. I'd really like to hear thoughts on the
matter
and pool a few of the ideas
Libraries and tools that can be used across different OSGEO apps.
data format libraries - done!
algorithm/analytic libraries = +1 . GRASS has an extensive collection.
Would be good for other OSGEO projects to reuse them.
cartographic libraries = +1
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Helena
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