Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-14 Thread JSanchez
Just a quick comparison of another open source audio company that was taken over and subsequently pretty much destroyed along with the rest of the community that supported the orginal product. That company was Phatnoise, the company that bought them; Harman International. I have one of their

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-12 Thread Moonbase
seanadams;369058 Wrote: […] [going closed source] would be a dumb idea even if it were. […] Still having fun here. Can't speak for anyone else. Thanks for throwing that in. We »out here« also like feedback :-) In my opinion, you’re right: It -would- be a dumb idea. Hey, and great to hear that

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-12 Thread Johnboy169
seanadams;369058 Wrote: Sigh... not this again. Squeezecenter is NOT going closed source. As radish says, it's not possible, and it would be a dumb idea even if it were. And with Duet, we've actually become a heck of a lot _more_ open than we used to be. As for anyone's plans... I

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-12 Thread Dogberry2
In terms of the quality of a software product, it isn't really a question of open source vs. closed or proprietary development; it's a matter of development expertise, which usually means training and experience. I think the SqueezeBox line is well engineered hardware, but in some areas the

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-11 Thread Goodsounds
mherger;368794 Wrote: I thought the information I found was useful In what respect? Michael ...because it foreshadows a few things to expect over the next 12 months. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile:

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-11 Thread sander
mherger;368794 Wrote: In what respect? Buying a Squeezecenter device is really buying into the larger system and, to some extent, the community around it. I've been very happy with the progress that's been made since the Logitech acquisition. virtually every complaint I've had since I bought

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-11 Thread atrocity
snarlydwarf;368716 Wrote: Hurry and buy them all now, that silk screen does affect sound quality, even more so, than, well, a switch. It's also worth noting that the devices were signed by a left-handed person and a right-handed person, thereby improving the stereo imaging. -- atrocity

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-11 Thread radish
Goodsounds;368781 Wrote: I'm not sure you were following what I said, you seem to be talking about rather different things. And/or we don't agree, which is okay with me. Or (3), you weren't following what I said :) I'm pretty sure I was able to follow what you wrote, though I think

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-11 Thread seanadams
Sigh... not this again. Squeezecenter is NOT going closed source. As radish says, it's not possible, and it would be a dumb idea even if it were. And with Duet, we've actually become a heck of a lot _more_ open than we used to be. As for anyone's plans... I don't even plan for next week. Still

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-11 Thread Goodsounds
radish;369053 Wrote: Or (3), you weren't following what I said :) I'm pretty sure I was able to follow what you wrote, though I think you're using a much narrower definition of some of the words than I. My opinion (and you know what they say about those) is that the change you seem to

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread Goodsounds
MrSinatra;368484 Wrote: i think the guys love what they do, why leave? People tend to leave after financial handcuffs/incentives expire. It's been there, done that, what's next? Either the earn-out is triggered and they're loaded and want to enjoy their loot, or they fail and don't want to hang

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread MrSinatra
i'm surprised no one else is commening, but your view seems tilted negative without cause... i don't think logitech would have bought it IF they weren't committed to it. and i wouldn't be surprised if there are plans to have it support video one day. logitech is a computer accessories company,

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread Goodsounds
I thought the information I found was useful because it foreshadows a few things to expect over the next 12 months. That should be of interest to many people here, it may affect them significantly in this realm. But I suspect many just don't understand, don't care and/or they find other topics

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread bklaas
MrSinatra;368640 Wrote: i don't think logitech would have bought it IF they weren't committed to it. 100% correct. -- bklaas Logitech Developer: Squeezeplay/SqueezeOS/SqueezeboxController/SqueezeCenter Community Developer: Nokia770Skin http://www.last.fm/user/bklaas/ 'KHAAAN!'

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread erland
MrSinatra;368640 Wrote: i'm surprised no one else is commening, but your view seems tilted negative without cause... i don't think logitech would have bought it IF they weren't committed to it. and i wouldn't be surprised if there are plans to have it support video one day. logitech

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread snarlydwarf
erland;368715 Wrote: There were a lot of people worrying directly after the purchase that everything was going to be lost cough, well https://secure.slimdevices.com/products.php?product=Slim-Devices-Signature-Series-Squeezebox-Classic should satisfy them. Hurry and buy them all now, that

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread Goodsounds
Snarly, Excellent comment! You may want to consider the Pandora Boom, though. The signatures were done with a different type of pen and ink, which seems to be more sympatico with the crystaline structure of the case and so provides more undertoe. Erland, I know your work is highly respected. You

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread Moonbase
Just a quick one: I don’t see Goodsounds’ initial comments as negative. »Earn-out-leaving« is common business practise, and I think he explained it very well for those who didn’t know. Let’s see what happens. We can only speculate what might happen. As I said 'elsewhere'

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread MrSinatra
maybe negative was the wrong word... how about pessimistic? i didn't mean to imply what he said was offensive in any way. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / SBC - w/SC 7.3b - Win XP Pro SP3 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread Moonbase
Well, -I- didn#8217;t take it as offensive (neither his nor your post), maybe more like -critically looking at things-#8212;and if not here, where else? Anyway, each coin has two sides. Why not see it positive? All possibilities can have their charme: A. The »old guys« leaving (if they wish so)

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread radish
Forget about closing SC, it basically can't be done (legally or technically). The open source model works well for this product and I simply don't see any reason to change. What Logitech have done, which incidentally I think has been handled really well, is to reinforce their in-house team with

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread Pat Farrell
radish wrote: Really? Never heard of a company relying on Linux? Or Apache? Or MySQL? Microsoft are pretty much the _only_ major software company who haven't done anything significant in the OS space Moving rapidly OT: Do you mean that M$ never did any OS development? That's a bit unfair,

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread Goodsounds
Radish, I've looked back over my comments, including the one you quote (the key word in which is business). Nothing there I want to change. I'm not sure you were following what I said, you seem to be talking about rather different things. And/or we don't agree, which is okay with me.

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread erland
Sorry if this is getting a bit off topic. radish;368767 Wrote: Forget about closing SC, it basically can't be done (legally or technically). The open source model works well for this product and I simply don't see any reason to change. A closed source model would probably have to be based

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-10 Thread Michael Herger
I thought the information I found was useful In what respect? Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss

[slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-09 Thread Goodsounds
Logitech's SEC filings indicate that the Slim Devices acquisition included an earn-out provision based on calender 2009 revenue. It's public information, and has likely been around for a few years. Forgive me if previously discussed here - if so, I missed it. A few interesting points - 1.

Re: [slim] 2009- Important Year for Slim Devices Founders

2008-12-09 Thread MrSinatra
i think the guys love what they do, why leave? but even if they did, i think the open source quality of it will keep it going. logitech definitely needs a product to fill this space. i think they killed all of their own dj music systems. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2