This is the end, my only friend .
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If there is a real volume difference then the information is not the
same .
Check the volume on each player before comparing and check how they use
replay gain tags .
LMS has setting for that if the flac file has an RG tag and you use
this feature , the result is in most cases are lower volume
vanye wrote:
I second the notion.
I third the notion!
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Julf wrote:
This discussion should probably move to the audiophile subforum.
I second the notion.
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jimmypowder wrote:
Quintuple blind with a finger up my ass .
Most likely it sounded better the deeper you pushed?
Audiophile daydreaming surely benefits of this.
Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA
monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers
Wombat wrote:
Most likely it sounded better the deeper you pushed?
Audiophile daydreaming surely benefits of this.
It did .
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Julf wrote:
So, just to confirm, this was sighted listening, not double-blind?
Using async USB?
Quintuple blind with a finger up my ass .
Coax not usb. Didnt see a thing but I know the Touch and Transporter
dont sound as good feeding the same dac.
It took literally seconds to tell!!
jimmypowder wrote:
Use decibel meter . It was very clear that the Transporter was not as
dynamic had less resolution than the Aries. Same files,volume set with
meter ,coax out.
Squeezebox Touch was the same
.Not as good.
So, just to confirm, this was sighted listening, not double-blind?
ashleyw wrote:
what are peoples thoughts about Roonlabs running on the rpi2 with
HifiBerry (or iqaudio) DAC in the form of Roonspeakers?
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/raspberry-pi-support/1129/2
It's vapourware right now but could potentially be a neat alternative,
but Spotify support
Julf wrote:
There are differences in the built-in DACs of various streamers that
have an impact on the sound (but still way less than different speakers
or different room placement), but if you are using an external DAC, the
sound quality is determined by the DAC, not the streamer.
So you
jimmypowder wrote:
So you are saying the streamer has ZERO impact on sound quality?
Yes. Please explain to me what, in the digital part of a streamer, could
actually make an impact on sound quality.
If thats the case then we should all just buy the cheapest streamer we
can buy for audio
jimmypowder wrote:
It does,just not as good as some of the other streamers that have been
introduced over the last several years.
There are differences in the built-in DACs of various streamers that
have an impact on the sound (but still way less than different speakers
or different room
Julf wrote:
Yes. Please explain to me what, in the digital part of a streamer, could
actually make an impact on sound quality.
Exactly.
This discussion should probably move to the audiophile subforum. I
assume your listening was under sighted conditions. How did you ensure
Fizbin wrote:
Or you could say the Touch continues to sound good playing The End.
It does,just not as good as some of the other streamers that have been
introduced over the last several years.
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Yep ,its close to the end:
Or you could say the Touch continues to sound good playing The End.
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Follow up for the SB devices firmware to eliminate the MySB.com
dependency during setup would be a nice touch too.
2 Duets - 1 for upstairs and 1 for downstairs
Rock Solid with LMS 7.8.0 and WHS 2011
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LMS 7.9 does that if you start it with the nomysb option
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i would feel better if the last official release of SBS had eliminated
any dependency on mysqueezebox.com, too.
i packed my SBS environment into an Ubuntu+SBS .ova file i can fire up
with Vmware Player anytime, anywhere. that considerably reduces my
worries about the future environment. it'll
epoch1970 wrote:
Second, don't look now but there is a chance your own systems are using
nearly 100% of available RAM (applications + cache), plus a bit of swap.
I do tend to look fairly often, and with modern hardware, it is really
hard to get a system to actually swap. Most of my systems
Pascal Hibon wrote:
I believe the RPI does not have a hardware clock on-board. The accuracy
of its clock is therefore maintained by the software (OS ?).
Pretty much every processor has a hardware clock in the sense of clock
oscillator. From the point of view of accuracy, it doesn't matter if
epoch1970 wrote:
If your linux machine decides to launch garbage collection/swap what
happens to audio processing?
Programming language runtime environments do garbage collection, not the
OS (there is no garbage collection in C, for example), and if your
system swaps, you don't have enough
It is futile to expect a non-real time software player running on a
non-real time OS to sync perfectly. Regardless of LMS sync protocol or
local clock accuracy.
If your linux machine decides to launch garbage collection/swap what
happens to audio processing?
AFAIK Touch used (at least) a custom
philippe_44 wrote:
Sync is maintained while playing a track, unless disabled. LMS evaluates
network round trip constantly as well as gathering the local player
clock and requires players to feedback ms accuracy play time compared to
their local clock. When gap is found, LMS will ask player
Julf wrote:
Programming language runtime environments do garbage collection, not the
OS (there is no garbage collection in C, for example), and if your
system swaps, you don't have enough RAM and have way more serious issues
than lack of synchronization.
Well I was trying to make a not too
Julf wrote:
Pretty much every processor has a hardware clock in the sense of clock
oscillator. From the point of view of accuracy, it doesn't matter if it
is dedicate3d hardware or the CPU (software) that counts milliseconds.
Yep, this is how it works. At regular occasion (at least every 5
Fizbin wrote:
I think there's a thread just like this. Personally, the only thing that
will replace my Squeezebox Touch, is a better Squeezebox Touch.
Obviously Logitech will never market another one but I'm hopeful a
company like Oppo will.
Maybe an Auralic Mini?
Patient: It stutters when I do that
Doctor: Then don't do that
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ashleyw wrote:
, it renders wifi sync'd players unreliable.
When things are in sync they occasional drift and then come back
together - there is no direct control over the oscillator on the rpi so
there will always be some drift. the drift isn't normally noticable as
corrections are made
ashleyw wrote:
afraid in my world (which only consists of RPI2s and hifiberry DACs) -
there are several issues with sync;
- Adding a player to a sync group while a track is playing results in a
stutter on all players.
- sync via wifi on an RPI2 is too unstable which forces wired
ashleyw wrote:
afraid in my world (which only consists of RPI2s and hifiberry DACs) -
there are several issues with sync;
- Adding a player to a sync group while a track is playing results in a
stutter on all players.
It does that when you add any player. Always has. Unless you're talking
JJZolx wrote:
It does that when you add any player. Always has. Unless you're talking
about continuous stuttering.
Unstable, how? Unable to maintain sync, or do you get dropouts? If it's
dropouts, then it's a problem with your wireless network, not whatever
you're using as a player.
what are peoples thoughts about Roonlabs running on the rpi2 with
HifiBerry (or iqaudio) DAC in the form of Roonspeakers?
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/raspberry-pi-support/1129/2
It's vapourware right now but could potentially be a neat alternative,
but Spotify support isn't there currently
Raspberry Pi has saved the bacon of LMS. Look back a few years and think
how many people were saying that the server was the problem (and it was,
admittedly.)
There are now 2 mainstream protocols for home audio streaming, Airplay
and upnp. Until these make some progress (or we all evaporate into
ashleyw wrote:
LMS architecture itself has strengths but also weaknesses in the forms
of poor sync (compared to Sonos).
Sonos and LMS/Squeezeboxes both have rock solid sync. I sync several
players together (and they are sometimes in the same room). I've never
heard any echo or sync
garym wrote:
Sonos and LMS/Squeezeboxes both have rock solid sync. I sync several
players together (and they are sometimes in the same room). I've never
heard any echo or sync problems in my use of SBs. If you're having Sync
issues, I suspect that is fixable as it must be something in your
vanye wrote:
Not really sure about this, but ickstream might support Rhapsody.
And I'm sure that ickstream doesn't support Rhapsody and never will
support it.
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vanye wrote:
All you need is a Rasperry and Picore or Max2Play. Or a barebone and
Daphile. Or ...
This may work if you don't want to use Rhapsody. Or Spotify on multiple
devices at the same time. Or use your devices without a
Smartphone/Tablet or a Computer. Or ...
I have Spotify on multiple devices (sync'd with duet, boom, and 2x rpI
also you can pick up a logitech reviever remote if you want a dedicated
remote.
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quadronado wrote:
This may work if you don't want to use Rhapsody. Or Spotify on multiple
devices at the same time. Or use your devices without a
Smartphone/Tablet or a Computer. Or ...
I use rhapsody and pandora a lot, which is why the aftermarket/software
solutions don't do it for me.
If
Dogberry2 wrote:
Yeah, I use Pandora and SiriusXM a lot. When mysqueezebox.com get shut
down, I'm screwed.
Unless ickstream manages to add access to Pandora and SiriusXM, which I
hope they can (My wife is a major SiriusXM user at home because of the
extra public radio channels).
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FredFredrickson wrote:
I use rhapsody and pandora a lot, which is why the aftermarket/software
solutions don't do it for me.
If mysqueezebox.com goes down or if my boxes break, I might have to go
sonos (even though they're retardedly expensive). Is there anybody else
in the market?
Yeah,
quadronado wrote:
Yes, but as far as I remember you can't use it on different RPi devices
with different Spotify streams (without syncing).
Correct. With the triode 3rd party Spotify plugin, one can play a single
stream to multiple synched devices. But one can't simultaneously stream
one
Giza2020 wrote:
I have Spotify on multiple devices (sync'd with duet, boom, and 2x rpI
Yes, but as far as I remember you can't use it on different RPi devices
with different Spotify streams (without syncing).
Giza2020 wrote:
also you can pick up a logitech reviever remote if you want a
quadronado wrote:
This may work if you don't want to use Rhapsody. Or Spotify on multiple
devices at the same time. Or use your devices without a
Smartphone/Tablet or a Computer. Or ...
Not really sure about this, but ickstream might support Rhapsody.
Fair enough.. makes sense
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I worry about the day one of my squeezeboxen break or Logitech fails to
update for Rhapsody changes.
I love these things. I cannot imagine why they killed off this brand
right when network audio is becoming mainstream.
1 Touch
2 Receivers
1 Controller
1 Radio
All you need is a Rasperry and Picore or Max2Play. Or a barebone and
Daphile. Or ...
Lots of good stuff out there. I think Logitech did everyone a favour
when they discontinued the Touch.
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It's not really the hardware that is an issue. The problem with most of
the replacements being marketed, including the ones you mention, is
that they rely on DLNP/UpNp streaming methods which is mostly crap (and
a giant, giant step backwards for anyone used to LMS and squeezeboxes).
But I
I think there's a thread just like this. Personally, the only thing that
will replace my Squeezebox Touch, is a better Squeezebox Touch.
Obviously Logitech will never market another one but I'm hopeful a
company like Oppo will.
castalla wrote:
Install the sq2upnp bridge plugin and your sonos becomes a squeezelite
player
Yeah, I've seen that. But for the moment, in addition to all my
deployed in-use stuff, I have lots of spares (3 new in box TOUCHes, 3
new in box RADIOS, a lightly used Boom, and a lightly used
garym wrote:
p.s. I have a SONOS I bought last year just to see how it works. It's a
nice enough piece of kit, but it in no way replaces the functionality of
my squeezebox/LMS ecosystem.
Install the sq2upnp bridge plugin and your sonos becomes a squeezelite
player
Touch - Muse M50
I love my Squeezebox Touch and am indebted to the kind folks on this
forum who have helped me on my journey. There have been some fantastic
intitiatives, including EDO and Spotify/ Qobuz apps. But lately I've
become concerned that things have begun to dwindle. Triode and Swenson
appear to have
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