Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-23 Thread jimzak
I have a Duet, and I have an iPod Touch with iPeng. I'll have to admit that I would really like a better controller than either, one more like the Sonos. big LCD instant-on responsive to touch and gestures can tweak most or all of Squeezecenter's settings etc. Perhaps one is coming? -- jimza

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-22 Thread Pascal Hibon
Three or four years ago I did the same investigation: which system to buy – Slimdevices (at that time their name wasn’t Logitech) or Sonos. After some “digging” I finally choose for SB and mainly for these reasons: 1. Sonos uses a closed proprietary network. On top of that, it uses 802.11 b/

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-22 Thread andynormancx
badbob;450764 Wrote: > I just tried the new Sonos remote, pretty damn awesome. Amazing it picks > up what you're pressing on the those tiny letters on the right hand > side. Certainly faster than my NAS as slimserver. Is there anything like > that for squeezebox, a larger screen and fast response

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-22 Thread paulster
badbob;450764 Wrote: > I just tried the new Sonos remote, pretty damn awesome. Amazing it picks > up what you're pressing on the those tiny letters on the right hand > side. Certainly faster than my NAS as slimserver. Is there anything like > that for squeezebox, a larger screen and fast response

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-22 Thread badbob
I just tried the new Sonos remote, pretty damn awesome. Amazing it picks up what you're pressing on the those tiny letters on the right hand side. Certainly faster than my NAS as slimserver. Is there anything like that for squeezebox, a larger screen and fast response? Maybe database stored locall

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-22 Thread paulster
badbob;450666 Wrote: > I know any computer will do but to snobbie Hi-Fi shop, or a snobbie > customer it doesn't seem so high-end with non matching or supported > components. But how is this really different in principle to the Sonos system requiring third-party disk storage to be able to operate

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-22 Thread badbob
Apparently you should have got what I was covering, which is they are not supported by Logitech. Logitech do not have their own computer/squeezebox unit (either with amp or no amp) Some people are finnicky they'll want the same brand for the system controller. I know any computer will do but to sn

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread iPhone
badbob;450397 Wrote: > A integrated solution. Apparently several people need to do some additional Internet surfing. If one just has to have a built-in amp, there is one available. I prefer powered speakers or proper amp matching myself. There is a Squeezebox with built in amp: 'Connected Acous

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread badbob
Well of course you do, but what Sonos has with no host computer is a positive point, a installer doesn't like the idea of a computer..faffing about with OS etc. I do have a couple of Squeezebox's, I do like the adjustability, but looking at Sonos it does have that going for it. Plug in and go. I t

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread upstatemike
toby10;450401 Wrote: > I've never used Sonos beyond the store demo, so maybe I'm not > understanding how Sonos works. > > But I was under the impression, and I think this is what you are > saying, is that Sonos is also server based, just that it's a self > contained server (cpu, drive, server so

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread toby10
badbob;450371 Wrote: > The only drawback of squeezebox is it requires a host service, you can't > just plug the SB into your router, have a standard NAS and play music > straight from it. A self contained squeezebox with built-in > (upgradeable) software and CPU power for it, would have been nice

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread badbob
upstatemike;450389 Wrote: > That is the SONOS model and I have never understood why it would make > any difference. Either way you have two pieces, the music player and the > music repository. I can't see that it makes a difference which location > holds the "brains" of the system. I use a small

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread paulster
upstatemike;450383 Wrote: > > > pski Wrote: > > I don't have an issue with 4 seconds from "saving my battery for you."> > I > > probably wouldn't have a problem with 4 seconds either. > Unfortunately the delay is much longer than that. I agree. The delay is much longer than 4 seconds, which i

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread upstatemike
badbob;450371 Wrote: > The only drawback of squeezebox is it requires a host service, you can't > just plug the SB into your router, have a standard NAS and play music > straight from it. A self contained squeezebox with built-in > (upgradeable) software and CPU power for it, would have been nice

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread upstatemike
pski;450299 Wrote: > > > WRONG: SR (squeezebox receiver) does NOT have a display other than a > color LED. But you are not required to use an SR. You can have an SB3 in every room. SONOS does not have a player with a display. > > WRONG: SB (squeezebox) include IR. Transporter includes IR co

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread badbob
The only drawback of squeezebox is it requires a host service, you can't just plug the SB into your router, have a standard NAS and play music straight from it. A self contained squeezebox with built-in (upgradeable) software and CPU power for it, would have been nice. -- badbob ---

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread jimzak
The main thing for me is as stated by the first poster: size of music collection. My digital music collection is just slightly under 50,000 files right now and growing. My understanding is that Sonos only goes up to 45,000 music files. Naturally I see this as a critical problem. -- jimzak h

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-21 Thread andynormancx
pski;450299 Wrote: > > WRONG: WTF is a "local source?" You put your music where the server can > find it. Might as well complain that Boom can't play a CD. > On a Sonos you can plug any audio source you like into the back of one of them and stream the source to all the players. Doing the same

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-20 Thread pski
upstatemike;450276 Wrote: > Not sure you got the list you requested... > > Slim Devices Pros: > -Players have displays so every location can display what is playing. > When off you get weather forcasts, stocks, etc. Can also display custom > messages via Home Automation servers etc. > > -Player

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-20 Thread upstatemike
Not sure you got the list you requested... Slim Devices Pros: -Players have displays so every location can display what is playing. When off you get weather forcasts, stocks, etc. Can also display custom messages via Home Automation servers etc. -Players can operate from included IR remotes as w

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-20 Thread iPhone
And just to add to what others have said. If you think your friends WiFi setup is weak, fix his network coverage first or have him buy SB3 and Boom only. The Duet has the most trouble dealing with a weak WiFi network due partly to its size and the only places that antennas could be placed. I have

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-20 Thread maggior
I'm not so sure I agree. My brother, who can use a computer but isn't what I would call technical or technically inclined, had no trouble installing SC on his Windows XP machine. He also had no trouble configuring his Duet when he received it. The only involvement I've had to was to give him so

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-20 Thread regalma1
I have long considered the Sonos having long suffered through many problems with the SB. In the end I always choose to stick with the SB. If your friend is computer person and likes technical challenges tell him/her to go with the SB. But if he isn't technical, or is easily frustrated then Sonos h

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-20 Thread toby10
Just as surround sound can be HTIB (Home Theatre In A Box) where one needs nothing other than what comes in the box, Sonos is a kind of Server/WiFi in a box for streaming music. No need for (or much knowledge related too) networks, routers, WiFi, servers, etc... On the other hand, if one has a b

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-20 Thread Mnyb
I would add, setting a dedicated wifi network for the music. Different AP/router for the squeezeboxes vs the you/wife/kids laptops I have only one wifi network but then my PC is wired so it's only squeezeboxes and controllers in the air here. One can certainly get into trouble if one does not t

Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-20 Thread iPhone
AbMagFab;450141 Wrote: > I am a SqueezeBox fan, and I prefer the open architecture of it. > > I also require the IR blaster capabilities to turn on/off my AV > equipment when only using the SB. > > A friend of mine is asking which he should get. Certainly money is an > obvious con for Sonos, b

[slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?

2009-08-20 Thread AbMagFab
I am a SqueezeBox fan, and I prefer the open architecture of it. I also require the IR blaster capabilities to turn on/off my AV equipment when only using the SB. A friend of mine is asking which he should get. Certainly money is an obvious con for Sonos, but are there any other pros/cons for t