Gadgety1 wrote:
I've spent the day researching alternatives. [..] I also thought of
using a tablet or a phone, since most people have them anyway. To get
the digital audio out there's a new standard called MHL- Mobile High
Definition Link (brought to the world by Nokia, Samsung and a few
bpa wrote:
At a guess, some user will not be happy with the analogue and spdif
interfaces on these boxes as they will not have been designed for
discriminating users. Support of USB DAC would be the key issue. Given
the difficulty that Triode had with Touch getting DACs to work propers
simbo wrote:
It may be possible to create a set of latency/timing profiles for
specific hardware configurations (simple ones, like a Pi + a particular
model of sound dongle). These would need to be maintained by the
community, but would also need some support from the player software to
A raspberry Pi solution means a case, psu, wifi etc has to be sourced
and so could be a lot of hassle and not for many end users.
If price is an issue, there are lots of Allwinner A10 based systems
and as a possible Squeezebox replacement I think the Mele A100 looks
good. For about US$80 (from
I'll check that Mele out. In the meantime someone on the RPi forum has
already ported LMS and Squeezeslave within the framework of Raspbian.
A quote:
This how-to guide also includes setting up Squeezeslave, a Squeezebox
client. Squeezebox server and Squeezeslave can coexist on the same
Surely a few knowledgeable folk could make a bit on the side setting
up cottage industries to sell ready configured hardware to the likes of
me?
I ain't proud and I ain't fussy. A small hideaway box that did all the
necessaries would suite me very nicely.
Gadgety1 wrote:
I'll check that Mele out.
Amazon UK has the A2000 for 75 quid.
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Labarum wrote:
Surely a few knowledgeable folk could make a bit on the side setting
up cottage industries to sell ready configured hardware to the likes of
me?
I find it difficult to see the economics working out for a cottage
industry.
The basic spec of the unit looks good but for a
It's a shame the O2 Jogglers ('OpenFrame7'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?64373-OpenFrame-remote-for-SB))
are so hard to come by nowadays.
I have one, 'running SqueezePlay'
(http://birdslikewires.co.uk/articles/squeezeplay-os). The only downside
is the poor quality internal sound
The Asus O!Play boxes seem to have all the required connectors, and
they're easily hackable. But it looks like they've already been and
gone.
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One of the nice things about the Allwinner A10 based systems is that
they can be restored using USB and a Windows PC so supposedly impossible
to brick which can be an issue with repurposing other media players.
This A10 system (
simbo wrote:
It's a shame the O2 Jogglers ('OpenFrame7'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?64373-OpenFrame-remote-for-SB))
are so hard to come by nowadays.
I have one, 'running SqueezePlay'
(http://birdslikewires.co.uk/articles/squeezeplay-os). The only downside
is the poor
bpa wrote:
This A10 system (
http://store.cloudsto.com/android-mini-pc-s/a10-media-pc-8gb-nand-1gb-ddr3-ram-detail.html
) is a bit dear has 1Mb Ram
1Gb. :)
Thanks for that URL. These are the products that the XBMC doods were
raving about last time I visited their forum.
It seems there is no shortage of boxes we can press into service.
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Labarum wrote:
It seems there is no shortage of boxes we can press into service.
without concern about ability to sync multiple players or connect to
paid music services, there is an almost unlimited number of choices for
playing digital music to one's home stereo.
garym wrote:
without concern about ability to sync multiple players or connect to
paid music services, there is an almost unlimited number of choices for
playing digital music to one's home stereo.
Yes, I know. Great for me. I am only interested in playing my own
collection and streaming a
Labarum wrote:
Yes, I know. Great for me. I am only interested in playing my own
collection and streaming a few favourite radio stations.
yep. Worst case for me is as someone else here already noted: I'll have
to select between two inputs on my preamp: one for playing my own
music/free
garym wrote:
without concern about ability to sync multiple players or connect to
paid music services, there is an almost unlimited number of choices for
playing digital music to one's home stereo.
At a guess, some user will not be happy with the analogue and spdif
interfaces on these boxes
Anybody looked at the options from Linn, Cyrus and Naim? All of then
offer music streamers which will play your local music collection and
Internet radio via Ethernet and/or WiFi. I think some of them also offer
other services like Spotify. Just wondering how these compare to
SqueezeBox hardware.
norderney wrote:
But they do carry a very big price tag.
Not going there - it's rip off country.
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Not going there - it's rip off country.
I agree, despite owning some fantastic Naim amps. Streaming is computer
technology - there is nothing mystical about it that needs hi-fi
expertise. Buy one of their DACs if you wish, or an amp with an inbuilt
DAC, but just plug a SB
I do have a concern that the alternative hardware pressed into use
should be able to deliver a clean bitream to a quality DAC.
I'm not an obsessive audiophile, but I would be keen to see decent
engineering standards maintained, and those need not be expensive.
bpa wrote:
A raspberry Pi solution means a case, psu, wifi etc has to be sourced
and so could be a lot of hassle and not for many end users.
.
Well, actually all of the places which sell the Pi, also sell them with
cases,psu, sd card etc.. You just pay a few pounds more. I have a bare
bones
Good to know there will be a solution available if I need one.
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GeeJay wrote:
Do any of these non-SB alternatives sync properly with the SBs?
It depends what you mean by properly. I find iPeng gets it almost
right, to the point where, wandering around the house, I don't notice it
as bad synchronization, it's more like being at an open-air festival.
pallfreeman wrote:
Without some heavyweight algorithms to cope with the rubbish timers in
most hardware, it really depends on how much work the developer is
prepared to do to get it right on a specific platform.
It may be possible to create a set of latency profiles for specific
hardware
Labarum wrote:
The big issue is getting the bitstream unmangled to the DAC.
I am hoping that is will soon be possible to get a quality bitream from
the micro USB on the Nexus 7. That Tablet in a landscape dock could
rival a touch for looks and features.
[image:
The Nexus 7 Tablet in a dock certainly looks good.
There are a few Android mini PCs appearing -
http://liliputing.com/2012/08/this-is-what-those-new-rk3066-android-4-0-mini-pcs-look-like.html
- I suspect that at least one of these will be able to output digital
sound and/or good analog.
A DIY
You can be sure, if Logitech lets its paranoia get the best of them, you
will start seeing much more drama on their site.
I'm not worried about that at the moment, because I still think there
are some products left to be introduced that might satisfy many of our
needs. They might not be
truehl wrote:
What about Raspberry Pi? Raspberry Pi is a very cheep hardware platform
which can be use as a Squeezebox Server and a player and if you like you
can run server and player on only one device! This device costs only 35
$.
...
. One open thing is to find a replacement for the
I have just installed Squeezeplayer for Android to my Nexus 7 Tablet
from Googleplay. Works a treat. here in my Southampton flat I have no
hardware Squeezebox but have been using Squeezeplay on a Windows 7 HTPC
which is in the cupboard next to the lounge just behind the TV and
speakers. A 3m
Wow - the Nexus + Dock looks indeed awesome
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The dock only connects to the headphone analogue output. If that is good
enough for you, and the sound is very good, you're there as soon as they
appear in the shops.
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GeeJay wrote:
For that reason, I think they are gonna let us blow off steam a little
longer until they can get the next phase of their campaign rolling. When
you look at their new strategy of marketing their products on the web in
three separate units (business, peripherals and the UE audio
Hi Erland - just landed on this URL:
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/
Version 10 is called UE Music Library and looks very much like todays
SBS/LMS.
Do you know if it works as Squeezebox server for our current SBs?
Bjørn Tore
BTHOEM wrote:
Hi Erland - just landed on this URL:
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/
Version 10 is called UE Music Library and looks very much like todays
SBS/LMS.
Do you know if it works as Squeezebox server for our current SBs?
Bjørn Tore
There are two versions of the 10.0
Installed the version I found here:
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=10.0
Looks very much like SBS/LMS, but my SB's does not see it.
Bjørn Tore
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Squeezemenicely wrote:
Yes a raspberrry Pi would make a pretty good SB alternative, but as you
wrote - there is no good analogue or SPDIF out - yet.
Also from what I understand streaming services like Spotify would not
work on the Pi, not even via the Spotify premium addon.
But, maybe
BTHOEM wrote:
Installed the version I found here:
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=10.0
Looks very much like SBS/LMS, but my SB's does not see it.
Bjørn Tore
Very odd how this web page has the The heading
Squeezebox Software Beta Downloads - Version 10.0
Does this suggest
norderney wrote:
Or have they just been lazy and forgotten to change the heading of the
page.
This is the most obvious reason. It's a generated page, maybe it's even
not easy to just change the heaer.
As this is an unofficial page, I guess noone really cares (nor would I -
never realized
norderney wrote:
if they were planning to discontinue support for the Squeezebox product
line?
They have never said they were going to discontinue support. In fact,
the only Logitech employee posting here has said the opposite. No new SB
products? Yes. But they have promised continued
garym wrote:
But they have no plans to discontinue support for legacy SB products,
including mysb.com and even these forums.
Michael wrote, denying: LMS is dead - It will continue to see some bug
fixing and updates to keep up with latest OS developments etc.
So, *some* bug fixing. Updates
Do any of these non-SB alternatives sync properly with the SBs? Given
how long it took for the Squeeze team to get it right, that would be my
biggest concern.
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At the moment the only fullfunctional alternative I see is an iPod
running iPeng on a dock with SPDIF out. Adding the cost of the hardware
it would still be cheaper than a Touch.
That's pretty much the way I see it as well. For the time being, I'm
going to continue
Hi folks,
I think it's time to join the debate. I've named the thread Squeezebox
... and not LMS because I like to ignore Logitech's last renaming act.
First I was a kind of shocked from hearing the news, but now I ask you:
Do we really need Logitech? As far as I know Squeezebox Server was and
truehl wrote:
First I was a kind of shocked from hearing the news, but now I ask you:
Do we really need Logitech?
No. But we need lead developers for SBS, and they happen to be working
for Logitech at the moment.
The decent thing of Logitech to do, would be to secure the continued
satisfaction of their Squeezebox customer base by submitting the
Squeezebox technology to Open Source - client as well as server (incl.
plugins and remote control SW) and contributing to establishing a
development community, is
My view precisely.
The value is in the software, and there is plenty of cheap hardware on
which to run it.
My problem. I don't have the IT skills, so I look forward to being led
by the hand by the excellent techies in this place.
Do I need to download a particular set of files now, before they
BTHOEM wrote:
The decent thing of Logitech to do, would be to secure the continued
satisfaction of their Squeezebox customer base by submitting the
Squeezebox technology to Open Source [...]
That is the least I would expect of a company the size of Logitech.
Why would they do that?
BTHOEM wrote:
The decent thing of Logitech to do, would be to secure the continued
satisfaction of their Squeezebox customer base by submitting the
Squeezebox technology to Open Source - client as well as server (incl.
plugins and remote control SW) and contributing to establishing a
I applaud erland's (and other's) plans to keep SB alive post-Logitech,
but here's the most important immediate question: is there a forum or
other such site for SB to continue on if (when) Logitech pulls the plug
on this one? Personally, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see it
happen very
There aren't any plans to pull the plug on the forums.
I would be surprised if many in the management were reading these
forums.
Rest assured that the people that work on the Squeezebox infrastructure
are eager to keep it around and will advocate its long life.
routehero wrote:
There aren't any plans to pull the plug on the forums.
Are these forums not owned and controlled by Logitech?
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There aren't any plans to pull the plug on the forums.
I would be surprised if many in the management were reading these
forums.
Rest assured that the people that work on the Squeezebox infrastructure
are eager to keep it around and will advocate its long life.
pallfreeman wrote:
Who are you and how do you know this?
Just another bystander idly guessing, but I suppose the Administrator
designation (as opposed to our lowly Senior Member status) has
something to do with it. Also, past posts such as this one:
aubuti wrote:
Just another bystander idly guessing, but I suppose the Administrator
designation (as opposed to our lowly Senior Member status) has
something to do with it. Also, past posts such as this one:
the nightfly wrote:
is there a forum or other such site for SB to continue on if (when)
Logitech pulls the plug on this one? Personally, I wouldn't be the least
bit surprised to see it happen very soon -- especially since I would
guess management would not be happy with the beating their
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