Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-06 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Ted Hart wrote: > Might I politely suggest that given that this has shifted quite far from the > merits of teaching SWC/DC to high school students to a broader discussion of > the normative conventions of e-mail list etiquette and the overall validity > of the

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-06 Thread Ted Hart
Might I politely suggest that given that this has shifted quite far from the merits of teaching SWC/DC to high school students to a broader discussion of the normative conventions of e-mail list etiquette and the overall validity of the code of conduct we close out this thread and then open it up a

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-06 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:25 PM, April Wright wrote: > Spaced Girl wrote: > >> How about SC just do away with the whole code of conduct in general? It's >> a theoretical piece of shit and has no practical value. > > No. The Code of Conduct is not 'theoretical'. It is enforceable - as > instru

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-06 Thread April Wright
Spaced Girl wrote: > How about SC just do away with the whole code of conduct in general? It's a theoretical piece of shit and has no practical value. No. The Code of Conduct is not 'theoretical'. It is enforceable - as instructors, we are expected to enforce it at our workshops. The executive di

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-05 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Spaced Girl wrote: > How about SC just do away with the whole code of conduct in general? It's a > theoretical piece of shit and has no practical value. I say this especially > after all the arguing that's transpired over the past 24 hours and my > general dis

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-05 Thread Spaced Girl
How about SC just do away with the whole code of conduct in general? It's a theoretical piece of shit and has no practical value. I say this especially after all the arguing that's transpired over the past 24 hours and my general disgust with some of the posting of instructors here...[very few on t

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-05 Thread Matthew Brett
Hi, On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Jonah Duckles wrote: > Dirk, > > We have a community that is meant to be inclusive to all. We have no > requirements that you use your real identity. > > It might be time for all of us to review the community code of conduct and > strive to uphold it in all tha

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Spaced Girl
at 4:46:28 PM > To: Dirk Eddelbuettel > CC: Software Carpentry Discussion > > Subject: Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18) > > No thanks. Kick me off then. Also, an explanation as to why it's customary > and good would be helpful. At this point, rather than have to recei

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Jonah Duckles
: May 4, 2016 at 4:46:28 PM To: Dirk Eddelbuettel CC: Software Carpentry Discussion Subject:  Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18) No thanks. Kick me off then. Also, an explanation as to why it's customary and good would be helpful. At this point, rather than have to receive asshole tea

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Jonah Duckles
Software Carpentry, Executive Director http://software-carpentry.org From: Dirk Eddelbuettel Reply: Dirk Eddelbuettel Date: May 4, 2016 at 4:42:29 PM To: Spaced Girl CC: Software Carpentry Discussion Subject:  Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18) On 4 May 2016 at 16:14, Spaced Girl

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Spaced Girl
No thanks. Kick me off then. Also, an explanation as to why it's customary and good would be helpful. At this point, rather than have to receive asshole teaching statements; can someone point me to a ideal how-to-guide for this list? A student disappointed with teacher, S.G. On Wed, May 4, 2016 a

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
On 4 May 2016 at 16:14, Spaced Girl wrote: | Just joined the list and an extreme novice programmer and not entirely sure if May I invite to follow what is customary here and post under a real name and preferablty resolvable idendity? Thanks, Dirk -- http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com | @eddelbuette

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Spaced Girl
Just joined the list and an extreme novice programmer and not entirely sure if I'm even responding correctly [am I suppose to reply-all vs reply...seems that way] but think that a major issue regarding upper level high school kids and university students is being completely lost here. University s

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Tracy Teal
This is a great conversation. There are a lot of opportunities for teaching and helping in instructing for coding for K-12. The current Software Carpentry and Data Carpentry lessons aren't geared for high schoolers, because they assume motivated learners - people who are aware of the need to, or at

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Ted Hart
I think what high school students will get out of SWC probably varies widely by the level of the class or school. My intuition is that there's probably much more heterogeneity at the high school level in terms of access to resources, background etc... than you'd find at the graduate school level.

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Ivan Gonzalez
Hi, We (Camille Avestruz, Dan Chen, Tim Cerino, and I) taught a workshop two summers ago to high school kids that age. The workshop was part of a summer program at Rockefeller University in NYC aimed to put the kids in contact with real research. They spent a few weeks working with researchers at

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Greg Wilson
On 2016-05-04 12:05 PM, John Corless wrote: I think this is a very interesting question that I have considered. I helped at a workshop at a local university and decided to bring my 16 year old daughter. She is an excellent science minded student, and more or less kept up during the workshop (w

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread John Corless
I think this is a very interesting question that I have considered. I helped at a workshop at a local university and decided to bring my 16 year old daughter. She is an excellent science minded student, and more or less kept up during the workshop (with extra support from Dad!). But in the end I

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-04 Thread Robin Wilson
My father teaches Computing at a private school in the UK, and I've been up there to do a number of lessons with his classes. None of them have been officially SWC, but they've covered very similar ground - although a bit less practical than I'd have liked. I've been introduced as "a real-world

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-03 Thread Sean Davis
> On May 3, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > > > On 3 May 2016 at 21:45, Josh Greenhalgh wrote: > | Hi people of SWC, > | > | I would like to try teaching SWC material to high school students - those > doing physics/maths/computing at A-level (students between 16 and 18 in > Engla

Re: [Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-03 Thread Dirk Eddelbuettel
On 3 May 2016 at 21:45, Josh Greenhalgh wrote: | Hi people of SWC, | | I would like to try teaching SWC material to high school students - those doing physics/maths/computing at A-level (students between 16 and 18 in England). Has anyone ever attempted this? Are they perhaps too far away from

[Discuss] SWC for high school (16-18)

2016-05-03 Thread Josh Greenhalgh
Hi people of SWC, I would like to try teaching SWC material to high school students - those doing physics/maths/computing at A-level (students between 16 and 18 in England). Has anyone ever attempted this? Are they perhaps too far away from doing “research” for it to be of any use to them? What