[discuss] XML patent hahaha :)

2005-06-02 Thread suzume
From XML.org daily newslink: Possible Prior Art for Microsoft XML Patent Found Ingrid Marson, ZDNet News UK The row over Microsoft's XML patent has taken another twist with the discovery of an open source application on Sourceforge for converting C++ programming objects into XML files that pre-

Re: [discuss] Re: Ten Things That Still "Bug" Me About OpenOffice

2005-06-02 Thread Mathias Bauer
Shoshannah Forbes wrote: > Mathias Bauer wrote: > >> Mozilla/TB and others indeed wrap long lines (as you said correctly), >> but at least TB doesn't do that in the editor when you reply, thus >> the question (you might call it a complaint) from Peter. >> > In TB: > Edit--rewrap > This will re-wr

Re: [discuss] MS To Make Office Files More Net Friendly - XML - Office 12

2005-06-02 Thread Rigel
as long as the foundation of the file format remains the same they can say they've used the same format. That's Rich Text Format. It changed names, but that doesn't mean the under-lieing technology is different. The Microsoft Document Format, still relies on OLE and TTF standards. Just like it

Re: [discuss] Re: Ten Things That Still "Bug" Me About OpenOffice

2005-06-02 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Peter Reaper wrote: Peter Kupfer OOo on 01.06.2005 4:29 wrote: Peter Reaper wrote: Joseph Roth on 31.05.2005 15:54 wrote: Peter Reaper wrote: Some things that still "bug" me about OpenOffice: 1. The page ZOOM toolbar button needs to be a dropdown selection, instead of the more cumbersom

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-02 Thread Peter Kupfer OOo
Chad Smith wrote: I don't know if I'd call it contentious. I'd call it logical. You can actually see what it's called. The OP explains *why* the 1.x way of doing things *sucks*. If you *do* have a title (which some programs automagically assign without prompt to the user) and you want to see

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-06-02 Thread Alex
I know most of you will think this idea is lame and far fetched and I'm just a wishful thinker. Would it be possible that we, as a group with all our collective backgrounds in software development, could actually gather enough irrefutable evidence so that it might be presented to a judge to pr

Re: [discuss] Please put actual filename in header bar

2005-06-02 Thread Chad Smith
I don't know if I'd call it contentious. I'd call it logical. You can actually see what it's called. The OP explains *why* the 1.x way of doing things *sucks*. If you *do* have a title (which some programs automagically assign without prompt to the user) and you want to see the actual filename,

[discuss] What's right and what's wrong with MS Word Conversions?

2005-06-02 Thread Bruce Byfield
I'm preparing a Newsforge article about swapping files between OOo Writer and MS Word. I'll be doing my own experiments, but I'd be interested in other people's experiences. What works for people sharing documents between the two programs, and what doesn't? When you answer, please mention what ver

[discuss] "Case Study" / German Ooo-Pages

2005-06-02 Thread Thomas Broda
Hello, there's a link to a "case study" on the German Ooo-Pages (http://de.openoffice.org/product/docs/skilldeal.sxw and http://de.openoffice.org/product/docs/skilldeal.pdf) explaining the advantages of Ooo. These documents contain a lot of errors regarding ortography, and punctuation. I do

[discuss] Beta 1.9 fix

2005-06-02 Thread FJ Meyer
Hello, I am an active user of OpenOffice and I just upgraded to your new version and it is much better than the older one. I was messing around and I found a bug that you might want to fix that has to do with OpenOffice opening word documents. The bug is that if you create page numbers in micr

Re: [discuss] Poor choice of macro language (Object Model)

2005-06-02 Thread Ian Laurenson
On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 21:20, Mathias Bauer wrote: [snipped comments about Searching in Writer and PageLayout enumeration] Thanks Mathias for offering to look into these areas. > > >> > A much higher priority for me is having more in the API such as the > >> > ability to easily have docked/floatin

Re: [discuss] Re: Ten Things That Still "Bug" Me About OpenOffice

2005-06-02 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
Mathias Bauer wrote: Mozilla/TB and others indeed wrap long lines (as you said correctly), but at least TB doesn't do that in the editor when you reply, thus the question (you might call it a complaint) from Peter. In TB: Edit--rewrap This will re-wrap to lines in the editor, keeping quotation

Re: [discuss] Re: Ten Things That Still "Bug" Me About OpenOffice

2005-06-02 Thread Mathias Bauer
Hi Chad, Chad Smith wrote: > On 6/1/05, Mathias Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That's not true. The *sender* of the mail specifies the line length. If >> you wrap your lines at 72 characters every receiving client will display >> them in lines with 72 characters. > > Not if you get *desc

Re: [discuss] Bug in OpenOffice v1.1.x, v1.9.x and StarOffice 7 and 8beta, creating a PDF dokument!

2005-06-02 Thread Mathias Bauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If you save your file and type in the file name. Maybe the name abcxyz.odt > and the selected filetype is OpenDocument Textdokumentvorlage (ott), now > you will save your file as abcxyz.odt file. The correct file name must be > abcxyz.odt.ott. I think so, because this is

Re: [discuss] Microsoft Opens Office File Formats

2005-06-02 Thread cono
Robin Laing wrote: If you want a good idea of how Microsoft views Open formats, look at their response to the idea of including OASIS filters in Word. The details are on the OASIS web site. http://www.oasis-open.org/home/index.php Hi Robin, Could you pls be more specific in where to fin

Re: [discuss] Re: Ten Things That Still "Bug" Me About OpenOffice

2005-06-02 Thread cono
Mathias Bauer wrote: cono wrote: Mathias Bauer wrote: FF *could* be a nice option, but unfortunately the implementation in Mozilla/TB sucks. FF is what? Sorry, FF = "format-flowed". I thought it was understandable from the context. Thanks for the explanation. I couldn't read it from

Re: [discuss] Re: Ten Things That Still "Bug" Me About OpenOffice

2005-06-02 Thread Robin Laing
Chad Smith wrote: On 6/1/05, Mathias Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's not true. The *sender* of the mail specifies the line length. If you wrap your lines at 72 characters every receiving client will display them in lines with 72 characters. Not if you get *descent* mail client. Ev

Re: [discuss] MS To Make Office Files More Net Friendly - XML - Office 12

2005-06-02 Thread Daniel Carrera
Chad Smith wrote: "We've used the same binary file formats from Office 97 through Office 2003," says Chris Capossela, a corporate VP in Microsoft's information worker group. Told ya the files were the same from 97-today... Everyone knows that Microsoft *claims* that the format is the same

[discuss] Re: Ten Things That Still "Bug" Me About OpenOffice

2005-06-02 Thread Chad Smith
On 6/1/05, Mathias Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's not true. The *sender* of the mail specifies the line length. If > you wrap your lines at 72 characters every receiving client will display > them in lines with 72 characters. Not if you get *descent* mail client. Every mail client I'

[discuss] MS To Make Office Files More Net Friendly - XML - Office 12

2005-06-02 Thread Chad Smith
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=163702927 "We've used the same binary file formats from Office 97 through Office 2003," says Chris Capossela, a corporate VP in Microsoft's information worker group. Told ya the files were the same from 97-today... -- -Chad Sm

Re: [discuss] Microsoft Opens Office File Formats

2005-06-02 Thread Daniel Carrera
Robin Laing wrote: If you want a good idea of how Microsoft views Open formats, look at their response to the idea of including OASIS filters in Word. The details are on the OASIS web site. http://www.oasis-open.org/home/index.php Basically they don't want to support OASIS but have people u

Re: [discuss] Poor choice of macro language (Object Model)

2005-06-02 Thread Daniel Rentz
Hi, Mathias Bauer schrieb: Daniel Rentz wrote: Do we have an overview which simplifications are provided by OOBasic? Sure we have. But I assume you wanted to ask if this information is available in public. :-) Right :-) I'm not sure, I have to find out. Thanks. Regards Daniel -

[discuss] Re: Ten Things That Still "Bug" Me About OpenOffice

2005-06-02 Thread Gregory J. Neumann
Well, I haven't figured out how to reply from the digest with Thunderbird yet, so this is a copy/paste. >>>5. Context menus in tables should offer many (all) table-specific >>>operations. This could be fine-tuned to adjust to how the table is >>>selected (cell, row,...) >> >> They do. Which one

[discuss] OpenOffice.org Scottish Gaelic released

2005-06-02 Thread Evan Brown
Hello everyone, This is to announce the immediate release of the Scottish Gaelic version of OpenOffice.org 1.1.1 into the community. Install files for Microsoft Windows are contained in the archive: OOo_1.1.1_Gaelic.zip Install files for Linux are contained in the archive: OOo_1.1.1_Gaelic.tar

Re: [discuss] Microsoft Opens Office File Formats

2005-06-02 Thread Robin Laing
Daniel Carrera wrote: Jamie Borg wrote: Does this new announcement mean anything for OOo.org developers able actually use the microsoft XML documentation to develop a 'lossless' conversion? Depends on the license. Never doubt Microsoft's willingness to spin the word "open" to make it look

Re: [discuss] Poor choice of macro language (Object Model)

2005-06-02 Thread Mathias Bauer
Daniel Rentz wrote: > Hi, > > Mathias Bauer schrieb: >> >> As an example for the second approach, we have some objects that offer >> an API like: >> >> n = MyObject.getPropertyValue( "PropName" ) >> >> Basic can automatically inspect this object and allows you to write >> >> n = MyObject.PropN

Re: [discuss] OOO20 beta is still much weaker as ms office

2005-06-02 Thread Robin Laing
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Re: [discuss] Poor choice of macro language (Object Model)

2005-06-02 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Ian Laurenson wrote: On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 10:06, Mathias Bauer wrote: Ian Laurenson wrote: * In Writer searching is at a document level thus coding for searching within a selection is extremely tedious and the resulting code is slow. Interesting, can you provide an example that shows the

Re: [discuss] Poor choice of macro language (Object Model)

2005-06-02 Thread Mathias Bauer
Ian Laurenson wrote: > oSearchDescriptor = thisComponent.createSearchDescriptor > oSearchDescriptor.setSearchString("the") > oFirstSelection = _ >thisComponent.getcurrentController.getSelection.getByIndex(0) > oFound = thisComponent.findNext(oFirstSelection, oSearchDescriptor) > > As FindNext

Re: [discuss] Re: Ten Things That Still "Bug" Me About OpenOffice

2005-06-02 Thread Mathias Bauer
cono wrote: > Mathias Bauer wrote: > FF *could* be a nice option, but unfortunately the implementation in Mozilla/TB sucks. > > FF is what? Sorry, FF = "format-flowed". I thought it was understandable from the context. Best regards, Mathias -- Mathias Bauer - OpenOffice.org Applicatio

Re: [discuss] Poor choice of macro language (Object Model)

2005-06-02 Thread Daniel Rentz
Hi, Mathias Bauer schrieb: As an example for the second approach, we have some objects that offer an API like: n = MyObject.getPropertyValue( "PropName" ) Basic can automatically inspect this object and allows you to write n = MyObject.PropName Do we have an overview which simplifications

RE: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-06-02 Thread Ian Lynch
On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 20:12 -0700, Mike White wrote: > Probably, but you would have to challenge it in court to make it stick. Which is a major problem because the expense of doing that eliminates the majority of SMEs from ever even thinking about it. Even Local Education Authorities with 100 scho

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-06-02 Thread Lars D . Noodén
One problem is the junk patent which is far too vague and covers obvious developments and covers prior art. Two perl modules come to mind right off "Storeable" and "Data::Dumper";, I'm sure there are other serialization modules in C libraries or even Pascal if one wants examples going back to

Re: [discuss] Microsoft Opens Office File Formats

2005-06-02 Thread z.a.kaleta
Dnia czwartek, 2 czerwca 2005 09:01, Daniel Carrera napisał: > Depends on the license. Never doubt Microsoft's willingness to spin the > word "open" to make it look like they're playing fair while still > locking out competitors. Sadly, the state of Massachusetts gave them > some fuel to make that

[discuss] grammar checkers revisited

2005-06-02 Thread Wesley Parish
I've just found this site: http://borel.slu.edu/gramadoir/index.html http://borel.slu.edu/gramadoir/eagar.html It looks as if it may need localization - at the moment it's only got Gaelic (Irish) supported. Wesley Parish -- Clinersterton beademung, with all of love - RIP James Blish - Mau e

Re: [discuss] Another MS XML patent

2005-06-02 Thread Wesley Parish
It covers practically everything you do with data on a computer, right from the earliest stored procedure Eniac/whathaveyou right up to the most minimal CE or embedded piece of code that runs your morning wake up radio or beeps at you from your wristwatch. Do a google on (fraudulent misrepresen

Re: [discuss] Microsoft Opens Office File Formats

2005-06-02 Thread suzume
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Re: [discuss] Microsoft Opens Office File Formats

2005-06-02 Thread Daniel Carrera
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expect they parse it as: "Microsoft Office" "Open XML format". It looks like yet another strategy to confuse people into getting the right "open office" thing from "MS Office" and put the incompatibility blame on the others :) That cuts both ways, and since they

Re: [discuss] Microsoft Opens Office File Formats

2005-06-02 Thread suzume
e Microsoft even called the document type the Microsoft "Office Open" XML format. I expect they parse it as: "Microsoft Office" "Open XML format". It looks like yet another strategy to confuse people into getting the right "open office" thing from "MS Office" and put the incompatibil

Re: [discuss] Microsoft Opens Office File Formats

2005-06-02 Thread Daniel Carrera
Jamie Borg wrote: Does this new announcement mean anything for OOo.org developers able actually use the microsoft XML documentation to develop a 'lossless' conversion? Depends on the license. Never doubt Microsoft's willingness to spin the word "open" to make it look like they're playing fai