[discuss] Enough! Was [Re: [discuss] Chad is not welcome as a guest on my home computer if he cannot be civil and courteous to others on the list]

2005-11-01 Thread Louis Suarez-Potts
Hi Okay, this thread is going nowhere. I understand you are trying to encourage others to be civil but the subject line is not a good way of going about it. Our mail list guidelines specifically prohibit personal attacks or other rude behaviour. See

Re: [discuss] OOo2 final swedish: when/where

2005-11-01 Thread Joerg Barfurth
Morgan Olsson wrote: I still can not find OOo2 final in swedish... The download page still serves RC3 files. RC3 is identical to the final version. But localizations are not relabeled as final until the associated native-lang community has finished quality assurance testing of the localized

Re: [discuss] David Wheeler's commentary

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Sam Hiser wrote: [snip] Adelstein has a paper on line about techniques for combating Disinformation [snip] What is the URL? -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business. Keep them out of the EU by

Re: [discuss] David Wheeler's commentary

2005-11-01 Thread Sam Hiser
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 10:29 -0500, Lars D. Noodén wrote: On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Sam Hiser wrote: [snip] Adelstein has a paper on line about techniques for combating Disinformation 25 Ways to Suppress the Truth http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/disinfo.htm This is real CIA-grade

Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...

2005-11-01 Thread Sam Hiser
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 11:23 -0500, Lars D. Noodén wrote: The governor's role is still unclear. MS is probably working on him heavily. Not to worry. He's a Bain Consultant: smart, gets open standards, knows precisely what MS is up to. I'd call him impervious to their influence. The more

Re: [discuss] OOo Writer with Outlook?

2005-11-01 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi Chuck, Chuck wrote: Outlook has an option to let you use MS Word as your email editor. Does anyone know if it's possible to make it use OOo Writer instead? The more I work with OOo the more a like it over MS Office. Why don't you give a try to Thunderbird ?

Re: [discuss] David Wheeler's commentary

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Thanks. That guide is quite useful and many shills seem to be using something simliar to it as a playbook. It's not pure logic, but also a bit of strategy. A more generalized list of logic is this: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm but it unlike the 25 ways... it does

Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...

2005-11-01 Thread Robin Laing
Sam Hiser wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 09:00 -0700, Robin Laing wrote: Sam Hiser wrote: http://samhiser.blogspot.com/2005/10/commonwealth-senate-meets-on-holloween.html To me it sounds like some people are concerned about losing some election funding from Microsoft more than what is

Re: [discuss] David Wheeler's commentary

2005-11-01 Thread mark
Lars D. Noodén wrote: Thanks. That guide is quite useful and many shills seem to be using something simliar to it as a playbook. It's not pure logic, but also a bit of strategy. A more generalized list of logic is this: http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm but it unlike the 25

Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Robin Laing wrote: [snip] I just thought of something. Wasn't Microsoft's first document against Linux with FUD called the Halloween paper or something like that. :) [snip] They should be here, but have very recently moved. http://www.opensource.org/halloween/

[discuss] Re: OOo Writer with Outlook?

2005-11-01 Thread Chuck
Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi Chuck, Chuck wrote: Outlook has an option to let you use MS Word as your email editor. Does anyone know if it's possible to make it use OOo Writer instead? The more I work with OOo the more a like it over MS Office. Why don't you give a try to Thunderbird ?

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread Matthew Keathley
my experiance has always been that openoffice is slow and clunky. It has great potential put it isn't there quite yet On 11/1/05, RobinH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an article today on ZDnet describing a test which purports to show that Open Office 2.0 is a memory hog compared with MS

Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...

2005-11-01 Thread Dan Kegel
Sam Hiser wrote: http://samhiser.blogspot.com/2005/10/commonwealth-senate-meets-on-holloween.html Transcript, summary, and audio at: http://www.consortiuminfo.org/newsblog/blog.php?ID=1696 -- Trying to get a job as a c++ developer? See http://kegel.com/academy/getting-hired.html

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread Sophie Gautier
Hi Rob, RobinH wrote: There is an article today on ZDnet describing a test which purports to show that Open Office 2.0 is a memory hog compared with MS Office. Can anyone comment? It sound like another put-up job. My experience with Open Office has been good. Please read this thread :

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread mark
RobinH wrote: There is an article today on ZDnet describing a test which purports to show that Open Office 2.0 is a memory hog compared with MS Office. Can anyone comment? It sound like another put-up job. My experience with Open Office has been good. I'm running Linux, so I can't really

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread Sam Hiser
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 06:50 +1300, RobinH wrote: There is an article today on ZDnet describing a test which purports to show that Open Office 2.0 is a memory hog compared with MS Office. Can anyone comment? It sound like another put-up job. My experience with Open Office has been good. It

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread Sam Hiser
On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 11:52 -0600, Matthew Keathley wrote: my experiance has always been that openoffice is slow and clunky. It has great potential put it isn't there quite yet This is also true and one reason the development model needs to be opened up. Thankfully there are influential

[discuss] InfoPath and Visio?

2005-11-01 Thread Wesley Hobbie
So where is OpenOffice's version of InfoPath or Visio? I am a developer for a large technology company and I use Office a lot! I write some functional and detail designs and use Visio for UML diagrams. Senior Programmer Wes Hobbie

Re: [discuss] InfoPath and Visio?

2005-11-01 Thread Chad Smith
On 10/31/05, Wesley Hobbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where is OpenOffice's version of InfoPath or Visio? I am a developer for a large technology company and I use Office a lot! I write some functional and detail designs and use Visio for UML diagrams. Senior Programmer Wes Hobbie To

Re: [discuss] InfoPath and Visio?

2005-11-01 Thread Paul
There is not a comparable component of OOo to Visio. OO draw can be used instead of visio, but they are really different products so for the professional I woulnd't recommend it. There are opensource packages that can replace visio (eg, dia). I'm sure there are some that also replace InfoPath

Re: [discuss] InfoPath and Visio?

2005-11-01 Thread Ian Lynch
On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 09:17 +1300, Paul wrote: There is not a comparable component of OOo to Visio. OO draw can be used instead of visio, but they are really different products so for the professional I woulnd't recommend it. Consider buying a vector drawing program. Xara is excellent but

Re: [discuss] InfoPath and Visio?

2005-11-01 Thread Jacqueline McNally
Wesley Hobbie wrote: So where is OpenOffice's version of InfoPath or Visio? I am a developer for a large technology company and I use Office a lot! I write some functional and detail designs and use Visio for UML diagrams. Senior Programmer Wes Hobbie You may wish to check ArgoUML and

Re: [discuss] OOo Writer with Outlook?

2005-11-01 Thread Paul
To answer the OP's original question - I don't believe it is possible to have OOo writer as the 'inbuilt' email composer for Outlook (or even Thunderbird). Problem is the email that gets sent doesn't look the same as what I composed when using stationery. It gets indented a couple of extra tab

Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...

2005-11-01 Thread Wesley Parish
Quoting Lars D. Noodén [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Robin Laing wrote: [snip] I just thought of something. Wasn't Microsoft's first document against Linux with FUD called the Halloween paper or something like that. :) [snip] They should be here, but have very recently moved.

Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...

2005-11-01 Thread Wesley Parish
Quoting Robin Laing [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sam Hiser wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 09:00 -0700, Robin Laing wrote: Sam Hiser wrote: http://samhiser.blogspot.com/2005/10/commonwealth-senate-meets-on-holloween.html To me it sounds like some people are concerned about losing some

Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...

2005-11-01 Thread Michael Adams
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:12:27 -0700 Robin Laing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam Hiser wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 09:00 -0700, Robin Laing wrote: Sam Hiser wrote: http://samhiser.blogspot.com/2005/10/commonwealth-senate-meets-on- holloween.html snip I just thought of something.

Re: [discuss] David Wheeler's commentary

2005-11-01 Thread Michael Adams
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:25:58 -0500 Sam Hiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 09:51 -0500, Lars D. Noodén wrote: I've finally read through David's well thought out Comments on Microsoft's Letter http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20051029212458555mode=nested

Re: [discuss] OOo Writer with Outlook?

2005-11-01 Thread Michael Adams
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:50:05 -0500 Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outlook has an option to let you use MS Word as your email editor. Does anyone know if it's possible to make it use OOo Writer instead? The more I work with OOo the more a like it over MS Office. Thanks. This can be

[discuss] Re: Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread John Thompson
On 2005-11-01, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running Linux, so I can't really compare, but... if, when I upgrade my o/s, I can get Abiword running, I may skip OO.dog most of the time. 900MHz, 192M RAM, RH 9 (upgraded), and it takes around 30 sec. or more *just* to get where I can click

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread Michael Adams
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:52:14 -0600 Matthew Keathley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my experiance has always been that openoffice is slow and clunky. It has great potential put it isn't there quite yet On 11/1/05, RobinH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an article today on ZDnet describing a

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread Chad Smith
Someone points out a flaw in OpenOffice.org - therefore they must be (a) evil (b) stupid (c) wrong (d) working for Microsoft and (e) torn apart. How about we say ok - there's a problem here, we should work on getting OOo to be less piggy with the system resources? -Chad Smith On 11/1/05,

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread Alex Janssen
Sophie Gautier said the following on 11/01/2005 12:53 PM: Hi Rob, RobinH wrote: There is an article today on ZDnet describing a test which purports to show that Open Office 2.0 is a memory hog compared with MS Office. Can anyone comment? It sound like another put-up job. My experience with

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread cono
Chad Smith wrote: Someone points out a flaw in OpenOffice.org - therefore they must be (a) evil (b) stupid (c) wrong (d) working for Microsoft and (e) torn apart. How about we say ok - there's a problem here, we should work on getting OOo to be less piggy with the system resources? -Chad Smith

Re: [discuss] InfoPath and Visio?

2005-11-01 Thread Michael Adams
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:07:55 -0600 Wesley Hobbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where is OpenOffice's version of InfoPath or Visio? I am a developer for a large technology company and I use Office a lot! I write some functional and detail designs and use Visio for UML diagrams. Senior

Re: [discuss] Portable OpenOffice.org

2005-11-01 Thread Adam Moore
I've used it and it works great. Other than not being able to run the java portions of OOo their wasn't any problems. On 11/1/05, Jacqueline McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone using or has tried Portable OpenOffice.org ? See: http://johnhaller.com/jh/useful_stuff/portable_openoffice/

Re: [discuss] Request to unsusbscribe (or at least ignore) Chad

2005-11-01 Thread Richard jenkins
Thank you, Although I am a silent listener, I often wonder if people take the time to understand the implications of what I know I and my like me are doing and that is cutting him off completely. I was merely playing the advocate on his behalf, I was not condoning his verbal actions and mental

Re: [discuss] Re: Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread mark
John Thompson wrote: On 2005-11-01, mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running Linux, so I can't really compare, but... if, when I upgrade my o/s, I can get Abiword running, I may skip OO.dog most of the time. 900MHz, 192M RAM, RH 9 (upgraded), and it takes around 30 sec. or more *just* to

Re: [discuss] Re ZDNet article

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
It would hardly bear a response if it were an isolated incident, but if one looks outside the scope of just OOo, then it's about one a day. Sometimes it's more. ZDNet is not alone. -Lars Lars Nooden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Software patents kill innovation and harm all Net-based business.

Re: [discuss] Massechusetts Senate Meets on Halloween...

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Be careful about getting dragged into the M$ alternate definitions of English words. There currently is no *standard* in use in Massachusetts. The current binary MS formats may certainly be ubiquitous, but are anything but standard. There are variations for each version of each package on

[discuss] marketing and debate (was: David Wheeler's commentary)

2005-11-01 Thread Lars D . Noodén
Mark recommended a very instructive debate FAQ, though set in the context of theology it looks quite useful in dealing with some of the chaff being thrown out by much of the media on behalf of MS: Debate and logic FAQ http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html Much of the debate