[SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Torrie Fischer
Previous thread: https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003393.html I'd like to propose that we spend $200 to reserve the two t1.micro instances in that proposal for the purpose of web servers. Our current AWS expenditure is still ~$80/mo. Spending $200 up front will reduce that bi

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Andrew Buczko
WAT? first you said it was $1.60 Then $16.40 Now it's $123.10 ? On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Torrie Fischer wrote: > Previous thread: > > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003393.html > > I'd like to propose that we spend $200 to reserve the two t1.micro > instances > in

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Justin Herman
I agree with Andrew, I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to evaluate the needs of the infrastructure. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko wrote: > WAT? > > first you said it was $1.60 > Then $16.40 > Now it's $123.10 > > ? > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:0

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:33:37 Andrew Buczko wrote: > WAT? > > first you said it was $1.60 > Then $16.40 > Now it's $123.10 Erm, where are you getting those numbers from? This proposal is essentially only a small portion of the original suggestion. Instead of buying all two t1.micro, and th

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:35:51 Justin Herman wrote: > I agree with Andrew, > > I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to evaluate > the needs of the infrastructure. If you've got "several concerns", what are those concerns? I too can claim to be "concerned" about somet

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Chris Egeland
I'm sorry, but I'm siding with Torrie on this one. On 3/3/2014 11:35 AM, Justin Herman wrote: > I agree with Andrew, > > I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to > evaluate the needs of the infrastructure. The purpose of bringing up proposals on the discuss list is so that

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Craig Bergdorf
or, if it's $200 and you know for a fact the space needs it right now, just grudgingly buy it and hold mild anger towards those that said it wasn't needed (sorry, in a mood). Unless (crosses fingers) this is meant as a way to test a new, functional system for the space approving purchases, if so:

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:05:08 Craig Bergdorf wrote: > or, if it's $200 and you know for a fact the space needs it right now, just > grudgingly buy it and hold mild anger towards those that said it wasn't > needed (sorry, in a mood). Unless (crosses fingers) this is meant as a way > to test a

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Justin Herman
My question is why no other options viable for hosting? Why MUST we use AWS? Why do we need 99.99 availability for 6 servers? Why could we not hybrid the design (like Craig said) and use some local hosting and some AWS? Hardware is cheap and easy to come by. Hosting our own allows us to have a TO

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Justin Herman
As far as reimbursement and membership credit I have submitted them. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Justin Herman wrote: > My question is why no other options viable for hosting? > > Why MUST we use AWS? Why do we need 99.99 availability for 6 servers? Why > could we not hybrid the design (li

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:27:50 Torrie Fischer wrote: > On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:05:08 Craig Bergdorf wrote: > > or, if it's $200 and you know for a fact the space needs it right now, > > just > > grudgingly buy it and hold mild anger towards those that said it wasn't > > needed (sorry, in a

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:31:51 Justin Herman wrote: > My question is why no other options viable for hosting? It isn't just about hosting our website. SYNHAK.org is a playground for people who want to build a hackerspace's online infrastructure. If you're against that, I'd be happy to ramp u

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:32:48 Justin Herman wrote: > As far as reimbursement and membership credit I have submitted them. *nod* Its in my backlog. > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Justin Herman wrote: > > My question is why no other options viable for hosting? > > > > Why MUST we use

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Craig Bergdorf
TWC is inherently bad in this region. Although a specific study has not yet been done at 48, I'll bet you a panda once the basement is built up a bit more and one is run it will fail. packet loss, inconsistent speeds, random outages, the whole deal. A single (especially docsis) connection to the

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Monday, March 03, 2014 13:03:44 Craig Bergdorf wrote: > TWC is inherently bad in this region. Although a specific study has not > yet been done at 48, I'll bet you a panda once the basement is built up a > bit more and one is run it will fail. packet loss, inconsistent speeds, > random outages

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Justin Herman
SynHak.org needs to be multiple things. A "playground" maybe should not be what we use it for. I don't use the plumbing or electric as a "playground" they are infrastructure. They are constructs. Instead of asking why AWS is the best, I should have asked what are the goals? As far as physical sec

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Justin Herman
IDEA: It might be smart to talk to other hackerspaces and see if they would act as an encrypted backup for us if we do the same. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Justin Herman wrote: > SynHak.org needs to be multiple things. A "playground" maybe should not be > what we use it for. I don't use th

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Monday, March 03, 2014 13:24:14 Justin Herman wrote: > SynHak.org needs to be multiple things. A "playground" maybe should not be > what we use it for. I don't use the plumbing or electric as a "playground" > they are infrastructure. They are constructs. Oh ok. I'll stop listening then if thats

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Justin Herman
Torrie, I would appreciate it if you could refrain from treating me like I am attacking you. I am not your enemy. I see things differently than you BUT I respect your point of view. I expect that you do the same. You *don't* have to agree with me.* I expect you to "Be excellent to each other." *I

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Craig Bergdorf
Justin: linking to the collective via vpn has been on my todo list for 6 months now. I'm waiting on a discussion on our ISP. Considering it's available for little to none additional $/mo I would like to have native ipv6 and a dedicated ip for outside vpn connections if for no other reason than to

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Chris Egeland
On 3/3/2014 12:31 PM, Justin Herman wrote: > My question is why no other options viable for hosting? No one has said that there are no other viable options for hosting. > > Why MUST we use AWS? Why do we need 99.99 availability for 6 servers? > Why could we not hybrid the design (like Craig said)

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread alex kot
http://i.imgur.com/DvXWk.gif How about we just discuss this in person.  Get some ideas together and draw out a plan.  In all honesty we wanted to raise member fees so we can support the space.  How about we get more member and create less drama on the discuss thread and meetings.  Let's get so

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-03 Thread Justin Herman
I think Alex Idea is a GREAT one. I will bring documentation and pricing. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:33 PM, alex kot wrote: > http://i.imgur.com/DvXWk.gif > > How about we just discuss this in person. Get some ideas together and > draw out a plan. In all honesty we wanted to raise member fees

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-04 Thread Andrew Buczko
Ok Thanks Chris, that makes more sense when you say it that way. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chris Egeland wrote: > I'm sorry, but I'm siding with Torrie on this one. > > > On 3/3/2014 11:35 AM, Justin Herman wrote: > > I agree with Andrew, > > I hold several concerns about this proposal

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-04 Thread Andrew Buczko
Torrie, I don't have time to read your "novels". Please keep your post simple and to the point. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:37 AM, Andrew Buczko wrote: > Ok > Thanks Chris, that makes more sense when you say it that way. > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Chris Egeland wrote: > >> I'm sorry,

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-04 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 04:30:46 Andrew Buczko wrote: > Torrie, > > I don't have time to read your "novels". Please keep your post simple and > to the point. I do realize that I write a lot and try to work towards smaller e-mails that still contain the important details. I also find it imposs

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-04 Thread Omar Rassi
As far as the proposal at hand, what Torrie is proposing is that we reduce our expenses on infrastructure we're already using by purchasing it ahead of time. Currently we're doing a pay as you go on our AWS instances, this could potentially lead to a high bill if one month sees much higher traffic

Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo

2014-03-04 Thread Torrie Fischer
On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 09:32:18 Omar Rassi wrote: > As far as the proposal at hand, what Torrie is proposing is that we reduce > our expenses on infrastructure we're already using by purchasing it ahead > of time. Currently we're doing a pay as you go on our AWS instances, this > could potentia