Re: D Strategy Design Document, please collaborate

2019-05-09 Thread Kenneth Knowles
I was filling out some blanks in the column "Why is this strategy important to them?" for users/contributors/commiters/members/board and I really felt like for "committers" especially I would like to hear from them. Even committers not on this list would have valuable input into what D means for

FOSS efforts in measuring diversity & inclusion

2019-05-09 Thread Shane Curcuru
Along with re-running our own committer survey, there are plenty of resources and existing frameworks to consider for what or how we might want to approach research questions around D - The CHAOSS community - including participants from across FOSS organizations - now has a D working group:

Re: D Strategy Design Document, please collaborate

2019-05-09 Thread Gris Cuevas
Ok - thanks for offering Aizhamal and Austin. I'll keep you in the loop, there's a bit of process for creating the repo, so when that's sorted, we can proceed. @Joan, thanks for asking for clarification. I meant after 11:00 PM PST tomorrow. After we have the initial contributions/suggestions,

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

2019-05-09 Thread Gris Cuevas
Adding more questions/answers inline On 2019/05/09 19:34:24, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > I suppose my point is -- is there a problem that we're addressing and what > is that problem, exactly? >From personal experience, I believe there is a problem. We need to do some >research to articulate

Re: D Strategy Design Document, please collaborate

2019-05-09 Thread Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
Hi Gris, Happy to help with GitHub nmigration. I will be leaving comments in the doc as well. Thanks, Aizhamal *From: *Joan Touzet *Date: *Thu, May 9, 2019 at 13:56 *To: * Gris, point of order, > > Do you mean you want to migrate it to GH before you finish receiving > comments, etc.? > > Or

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

2019-05-09 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-05-09 15:27, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > I'm not assuming at all that a hijab signifies sexism Point of clarification: the women you described were wearing *burkas*, not hijabs or niqabs. https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241 I'll comment more thoroughly on this thread later.

Re: D Strategy Design Document, please collaborate

2019-05-09 Thread Joan Touzet
Gris, point of order, Do you mean you want to migrate it to GH before you finish receiving comments, etc.? Or is the conversion process to occur after 11PM PT tomorrow? -Joan On 2019-05-09 15:18, Gris Cuevas wrote: > Hi folks - anyone interested in helping me migrate the design doc to GitHub?

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

2019-05-09 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
And I am aware that the longer this conversation continues with just white men participating, the greater the chance that what is going on here is mansplaining, etc etc etc. I am a lot more (or less) than simply a white male — and while I think we need to figure out if people are not

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

2019-05-09 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Yes, and I agree completely. But maybe to argue from the end point -- if the result of the survey would be "in project X, more of Y would have participated, if not for Z", then that is valuable. But, taking your PMC as an example, with 12 apparently white males, how are you going to establish that

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

2019-05-09 Thread Sam Ruby
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 3:34 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > I suppose my point is -- is there a problem that we're addressing and what > is that problem, exactly? > > I certainly don't want to find myself promoting a survey at the end of > which all the Apache communities are evaluated or

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

2019-05-09 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
I'm not assuming at all that a hijab signifies sexism. Though I'm also not assuming that if every single woman in the world were to deny that a hijab does not signify sexism that therefore a hijab does not signify sexism. (I have noted though that not one single man wears a hijab, but let's leave

Re: D Strategy Design Document, please collaborate

2019-05-09 Thread Austin Bennett
Happy to help; where would it go? Aldo, are there existing conventions that should be followed, etc? On Thu, May 9, 2019, 12:18 PM Gris Cuevas wrote: > Hi folks - anyone interested in helping me migrate the design doc to > GitHub? > > On 2019/05/04 06:55:19, Gris Cuevas wrote: > > Hi

Re: D Strategy Design Document, please collaborate

2019-05-09 Thread Gris Cuevas
Hi folks - anyone interested in helping me migrate the design doc to GitHub? On 2019/05/04 06:55:19, Gris Cuevas wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I drafted the initial strategy design doc [1] and I'd like to invite folks > reading and folks who have expressed interest in contributing to collaborate

Re: Mailing list : public - private and external contributors

2019-05-09 Thread Gris Cuevas
Just closing the loop here, was Ruth able to join? On 2019/05/06 12:54:06, Jim Jagielski wrote: > I'd like to invite D. Ruth Holloway to this list... I've known Ruth for quite > awhile and I'd think she'd be a great asset to the list. Not proposing > membership yet, but I think having her

Re: ApacheCon NA

2019-05-09 Thread Gris Cuevas
Thank you Aizhamal & Dinesh for volunteering, and Patricia for starting this and helping us drive it. Dinesh & Aizhamal - any preference in how to drive this effort? On 2019/05/09 18:17:02, Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy wrote: > Hi Gris, > > I will be happy to help to curate the content as

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

2019-05-09 Thread Gris Cuevas
Thank you for sharing this story Geertjan. As context on how I interact and drive conversations, my approach is to confirm that my understanding of essential and crucial information shared with me is aligned with the sender/emisor's original intention, as a result, I tend to ask a lot of

Re: ApacheCon NA

2019-05-09 Thread Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
Hi Gris, I will be happy to help to curate the content as well. +1 for D being under Community track. I and my colleague submitted a talk under Community track that also closely relates to D Let me know if I can help in any way. Thanks, Aizhamal *From: *Patricia Shanahan *Date: *Thu, May 9,

Re: Requesting the creation of a Diversity and Inclusion committee reporting to the President

2019-05-09 Thread Aizhamal Nurmamat kyzy
Thank you for all the work, Myrle! *From: *Myrle Krantz *Date: *Thu, May 9, 2019 at 03:49 *To: * Awesome. I've added Bertrand, Austin and Aizhamal to the proposal on the > board agenda. > > Best, > Myrle > > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 11:11 AM Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org> >