Re: Discussion of written English style

2019-06-03 Thread Jose Miguel Parrella Romero
Off-topic and as an exercise, I wrote a simpler version of The Apache Way. Input welcome! https://gist.github.com/bureado/ee91c7ebc397348b0b5e76841fe6184c Of course just translating "The Apache Way" is a mental exercise in itself but in doing this I tried to reduce the absolute number of words u

Re: [revealed] nonprofit compensation info

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
here's the announcement email: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ee2a339144f60bce0086559698d84ff20b6f740623fc06580fdbd466@%3Cdiversity.apache.org%3E On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 19:19, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > Thanks. Can you elaborate on the difference for the 3 lists? Dev, discuss > and private

Re: [revealed] nonprofit compensation info

2019-06-03 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Thanks. Can you elaborate on the difference for the 3 lists? Dev, discuss and private? On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 12:14 Naomi S wrote: > diversity@apache.org is going to be migrated to > disc...@diversity.apache.org, > and divers...@apache.org is going to be set up as an alias > > this work is in pro

Re: Feedback from Sarah Kiniry about the Google Translate Trick was Fwd: Discussion of written English style

2019-06-03 Thread Ross Gardler
Machine translation does not try to translate meaning, it translates commonly seen groupings of words in documents that have been human translated. The end result is translation between languages can work quite well but it very quickly breaks down when translating across multiple languages. Just

Re: Feedback from Sarah Kiniry about the Google Translate Trick was Fwd: Discussion of written English style

2019-06-03 Thread sebb
Sample sequence: The cat sat on the mat Spanish Telegu Amharic Arabic English => The cat is saved online On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 14:38, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > > All, Sarah got back to me about some further refinement of her translate > trick. See below -KAM > > > > I brought up your wonderful

Re: [revealed] nonprofit compensation info

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
diversity@apache.org is going to be migrated to disc...@diversity.apache.org, and divers...@apache.org is going to be set up as an alias this work is in progress, here: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-18453 On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 18:11, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > Shouldn't we make t

Re: [revealed] nonprofit compensation info

2019-06-03 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Shouldn't we make the old address a synonym for the new list? I can open a jira ticket. On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 12:00 Naomi S wrote: > hi Kevin! this should be moved to d...@diversity.apache.org :) > > On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 14:59, Kevin A. McGrail > wrote: > > > Thought it might be good gender da

Re: Another researched D&I survey

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
hey Justin! hope I'm not getting annoying with these emails :) but wanted to say this should be moved to d...@diversity.apache.org On Fri, 31 May 2019 at 09:09, Justin Mclean wrote: > HI, > > See [1] and they have open sourced their materials. You might also skim > down towards the bottom and s

Re: [revealed] nonprofit compensation info

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
hi Kevin! this should be moved to d...@diversity.apache.org :) On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 14:59, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > Thought it might be good gender data. We have some paid people and vendors > at the ASF. We should survey them for diversity numbers. Be very > interested to see how we compa

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Gavin McDonald
I think some people need to take a new look at the user documentation for Confluence, it has loads of collaborative editing features - multiple people editing the same page/document at the same time, inline comments and a heap more besides. https://confluence.atlassian.com/doc/collaborative-editin

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
PLEASE NOTE: this thread should be moved to d...@diversity.apache.org. please subscribe to that list, and if you are sending a reply, please remove diversity@apache.org from the address field On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 17:44, Naomi S wrote: > snap :) > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a2bfc1c

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
snap :) https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/a2bfc1c97d5460352c13fd80eac359b7262d76a2cf4f68e48fde30b9@%3Cdev.diversity.apache.org%3E On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 17:34, Luciano Resende wrote: > How about opening a github issue for the documents that are being prepared > and a link to the google doc on

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Luciano Resende
How about opening a github issue for the documents that are being prepared and a link to the google doc on its description? This should enable visibility and mailing list notification a central place to see all documents that are in progress... and still enable the usage of external tools such

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
please excuse my barely coherent writing. we're having a heatwave in Germany ^^ On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 at 17:08, Naomi S wrote: > I agree with Myrle > > for anything that boils down to editing prose, Google Docs is my choice of > tool. for all the reasons she listed. and I say this as someone's who

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Naomi S
I agree with Myrle for anything that boils down to editing prose, Google Docs is my choice of tool. for all the reasons she listed. and I say this as someone's who day job is technical writing/editing PRs, JIRA tickets, etc are good for resolving issues and keeping track of projects. wikis are go

Re: Feedback from Sarah Kiniry about the Google Translate Trick was Fwd: Discussion of written English style

2019-06-03 Thread Patricia Shanahan
Thanks. I'll do some experiments. On 6/3/2019 6:38 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: All, Sarah got back to me about some further refinement of her translate trick.  See below -KAM I brought up your wonderful Google Translate tip (below) and there was a question on "what is a good sequence of langu

Feedback from Sarah Kiniry about the Google Translate Trick was Fwd: Discussion of written English style

2019-06-03 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
All, Sarah got back to me about some further refinement of her translate trick.  See below -KAM > I brought up your wonderful Google Translate tip (below) and there was > a question on "what is a good sequence of languages for this test?"  > Any comments on how you decide that?  I seem to remembe

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
> > whoever does the work decides which tool to use. Huge +1 on this. I would like to see someone do a spreadsheet in confluence and work on it to come up with a budget. Sam's work with custom scripts to do a FY budget is an example for me of how to exclude people because it assumes programmers

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 1:14 PM Patricia Shanahan wrote: > ...The Google Drive idea, even with a public > list of documents, will make things private unless and until someone > decides to make them public... Good point - public by default + discoverable is how we should work. -Bertrand -

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 1:15 PM Myrle Krantz wrote: > ...Very few people (if any at all) can follow email threads which branch and > weave and jump unless they are reading and responding in real time... That's because quoting efficiently, branching threads when required etc. are becoming a lost ar

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Myrle Krantz
Sorry all, I have to disagree. Confluence is fine for public-facing stuff. But for stuff that's still in work, it just doesn't support collaboration or document structure at the level that google docs do. The following (at least) is missing in confluence (and unthinkable in email): * Inline edi

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Patricia Shanahan
On 6/3/2019 3:03 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:45 AM Justin Mclean wrote: ...I also don’t see the need for the google drive and would prefer that we use something more in the open and visible like the wiki (confluence) Big +1 to that as I said in another thread

Re: Community Exclusion, was Fwd: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:45 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > ...I also don’t see the need for the google drive and would prefer that we > use something more > in the open and visible like the wiki (confluence) Big +1 to that as I said in another thread. -Bertrand

Re: GSuite Team Drive

2019-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 11:18 AM Myrle Krantz wrote: > ...Kevin has created an Apache GSuite Team drive for D&I... FYI, I don't like those kinds of tools in general as things that happen there are generally not discoverable. It looks like there is a wiki space at https://cwiki.apache.org/co