Re: [dmarc-ietf] Draft 10 notes: NXDOMAIN

2022-06-27 Thread Douglas Foster
My testing was done more than a year ago. My recollection is that I discovered it based on something in the wild, and then confirmed it with a locally-configured experiment. This time I am having trouble finding examples. The only one I can verify is from a previous email exchange on this foru

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Draft 10 notes: NXDOMAIN

2022-06-27 Thread John Levine
It appears that Todd Herr said: >Specifically, for which domain name did you query and received an NXDOMAIN >response, and for which subdomain node of that domain did you query and >receive resource record(s) in return? There are a few old buggy name servers that do that, but they're broken and

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Final, I hope, tweaks to the tree walk

2022-06-27 Thread John R Levine
Please recall what you said in April: How about if we say that if the initial domain has psd=y, that's the org domain and you don't look anywhere else. That is easy to explain and I don't think we are likely to find anything that better matches the expectations of people who send mai

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Draft 10 notes: NXDOMAIN

2022-06-27 Thread Todd Herr
On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 1:27 PM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > Our draft references and repeats RFC 8020, which asserts that > > "when a DNS resolver receives a response with a response code of NXDOMAIN, > it means that the domain name which is thus denied AND ALL T

Re: [dmarc-ietf] "psd=" tag early assignment

2022-06-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
If we use a different term, we'll need to define it. Fundamentally, I think changing the name only adds a level of indirection (and thus complexity). Current: PSD (which is defined in the document) yes or no or use tree walk. Proposed: Role (needs a definition) PSD (defined), Org (defined as

Re: [dmarc-ietf] "psd=" tag early assignment

2022-06-27 Thread Barry Leiba
I have to say, as a participant, that I have more than a little sympathy for this suggestion or some derivative of it. Using "psd" as the tag name is rooted in history that will be lost as we move away from using a public suffix list. Barry On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 6:20 AM Alessandro Vesely wrot

Re: [dmarc-ietf] "psd=" tag early assignment

2022-06-27 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sun 26/Jun/2022 18:05:44 +0200 Barry Leiba wrote: Please comment in this thread about whether you agree with making the registration now, or whether you do not agree and why. I'd like to make a last appeal to use more intuitive symbols to be used instead of the current ones: instead of

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Final, I hope, tweaks to the tree walk

2022-06-27 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sun 26/Jun/2022 17:42:10 +0200 John Levine wrote: It appears that Alessandro Vesely said: One question is what do you do if the DMARC record for your original From: domain has psd=y.  My text says you ignore it since if you're sending mail, you're not really a PSD. I disagree. If a PSD se