Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC as Signal to MLMs for Rewrites (or not)

2020-09-20 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Fri 18/Sep/2020 15:17:53 +0200 Joseph Brennan wrote: or don't use p=quarantine and p=rejectKeep it simple Publishing an actionable policy is not just a question of simplicity. It conditions the very semantics of DMARC. OTOH, MLM transformations break signatures irrespective of From:

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC as Signal to MLMs for Rewrites (or not)

2020-09-18 Thread Joseph Brennan
or don't use p=quarantine and p=rejectKeep it simple On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 5:47 AM Alessandro Vesely wrote: > On Thu 17/Sep/2020 21:11:42 +0200 Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > > > Wouldn’t it be nice if you could ask for MLMs to transform, just using a > DMARC policy, even p=none, so

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC as Signal to MLMs for Rewrites (or not)

2020-09-18 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Thu 17/Sep/2020 21:11:42 +0200 Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > Wouldn’t it be nice if you could ask for MLMs to transform, just using a > DMARC policy, even p=none, so that you could test with a live environment > containing MLMs that work around DMARC policy? Or you could ask for *no* > tra

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC as Signal to MLMs for Rewrites (or not)

2020-09-17 Thread Douglas E. Foster
ect: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC as Signal to MLMs for Rewrites (or not) On 17 Sep 2020, at 20:59, Jesse Thompson wrote: > On 9/17/20 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >> Wouldn't it be nice if you could ask for MLMs to transform, just using a >> DMARC policy, even p=none, > >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC as Signal to MLMs for Rewrites (or not)

2020-09-17 Thread Jesse Thompson
On 9/17/20 5:09 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > On 17 Sep 2020, at 20:59, Jesse Thompson > wrote: >> On 9/17/20 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >>> Wouldn’t it be nice if you could ask for MLMs to transform, just using a >>> DMARC policy, even p=none, >> >> It is possible via p=quarantine

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC as Signal to MLMs for Rewrites (or not)

2020-09-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 17 Sep 2020, at 20:59, Jesse Thompson wrote: > On 9/17/20 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: >> Wouldn’t it be nice if you could ask for MLMs to transform, just using a >> DMARC policy, even p=none, > > It is possible via p=quarantine pct=0. > > I think it makes sense to consider codify

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC as Signal to MLMs for Rewrites (or not)

2020-09-17 Thread Jesse Thompson
On 9/17/20 2:11 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > Wouldn’t it be nice if you could ask for MLMs to transform, just using a > DMARC policy, even p=none, It is possible via p=quarantine pct=0. I think it makes sense to consider codifying beyond this defacto standard hack. Isn't this part of DM

[dmarc-ietf] DMARC as Signal to MLMs for Rewrites (or not)

2020-09-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
AFAIK, at the moment, MLMs doing transforms on headers to make messages DMARC-safe have no reliable way of knowing whether sender domains intended them to do so or not: there’s a heuristic that just says that in general, a DMARC domain enforcing an active quarantine or reject policy probably wan