On 07/22/2015 10:41 PM, Laurent Bercot wrote:
OT: I would like it if the list host could set the Mailing-List:
header on list messages. Most MUAs understand it and implement a
reply to list feature; without it, we're stuck with manual
configuration
or hitting reply to all, which causes
Good evening,
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:44:32PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement Userspace IPC
handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems and UNIX?
If we rip out D-Bus what do we use in it's place that is drop in compatible?
So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement Userspace IPC
handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems and UNIX?
If we rip out D-Bus what do we use in it's place that is drop in compatible?
You're talking about tearing apart a LOT of packages just to satisfy a
Le 23/07/2015 22:44, James Powell a écrit :
So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement Userspace
IPC handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems and UNIX?
If we rip out D-Bus what do we use in it's place that is drop in
compatible? You're talking about tearing
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 07:24:10 -1000
Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote:
Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200
Michael Bütow mbu...@houtbay.com wrote:
I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of
D-Bus related software in Devuan, they can set up their own
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I do not understand this entire thread.
I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be.
What does the Mir prefi contribute the the eaning?
What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck?
yep. this is sort of going bonkers.
me and other
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:12:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200
Michael Bütow mbu...@houtbay.com wrote:
I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of D-Bus
related software in Devuan, they can set up their own spin of it.
For those of you
Hello everybody,
I forked a project on github and added some commits on top of the ones
on upstream repository. The figure of commits behind on github web
interface is quite important for me as that indicates whether there are
new commits on upstream that I need to merge or not.
There are
On 23/07/2015 22:41, Peter Maloney wrote:
What's wrong with these, which Thunderbird handles just fine?
Ah, indeed it does, when the list address is in the To:
It does not when the list address is in the Cc:
So the solution is to make sure to always send To: the list. :)
Thanks for the
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I do not understand this entire thread.
I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be.
What does the Mir prefi contribute the the meaning?
What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:49:11PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 23/07/2015 22:19, Isaac Dunham a écrit :
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:12:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
For those of you who don't want dbus, my experience tells me that
getting rid of it would involve something like the
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote:
... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and is
documented on a random basis, when you compare it to the rest of GNU/Fedora
it's... like GTK: it sucks, there are alternatives but it's a PITA to port
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:58:28PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 23/07/2015 10:36, T.J. Duchene a écrit :
Like you I would like to get rid of Dbus. This was invented to
replace the
own equivalents of Gnome and KDE, and I need neither Gnome nor KDE. But
Dbus seems to have infected every
Yeah, but that is why we have VNC for.
As I said, multiseat is pretty much useless.
Hell, the proprietary software can be installed on a server and run from
anywhere.
On Jul 23, 2015 6:32 AM, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote:
I think
Hi Anto,
[snip]
does anybody have any suggestion how to easily find out that our fork
repositories need updating without keep checking the upstream repositories?
You're going to have to pull changes upstream periodically. That's just
the way git is designed--if you're not hosting the
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I do not understand this entire thread.
I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be.
What does the Mir prefi contribute the the eaning?
What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean
On 7/23/2015 10:41 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
I'm inclined to agree with you on C++, but I'd like to refer you to Roger
Leigh's comments on the subject about seven and a half months ago;
I'm only appending the first couple screenfuls (which is maybe a third
of the original) but you should be able
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:30 PM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2015 08:22:55 PM Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote:
... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and
is
documented on
On 7/23/2015 9:52 PM, Jude Nelson wrote:
I don't care for it myself - because it is C++.
Minor correction: GTK is written in C, and relies on GLib, which is
also written C. However, it's open to debate as to how
similar/different C-plus-GLib is to C++ in practice.
Apologies
On Thursday, July 23, 2015 08:22:55 PM Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote:
... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and is
documented on a random basis, when you compare it to the rest of
GNU/Fedora
it's... like
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 09:30:04PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2015 08:22:55 PM Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote:
... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and is
documented on a random basis,
On 7/23/2015 5:37 AM, Teodoro Santoni wrote:
Good morning,
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:39:23PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
[snip]
Multi-seat logins are very useful in situations where users do not understand
how to run X11 applications with different user permissions. It is an easy
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:23:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:18:22 +0200
miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote:
What fundamentalists? The Gentoo folks? Thorsten mirabilos Glaser with
his MirDebian WTF project, a fundamentalist? Me, a fundamentalist?
What's the
Le 23/07/2015 22:19, Isaac Dunham a écrit :
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:12:36PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
For those of you who don't want dbus, my experience tells me that
getting rid of it would involve something like the following:
* Use something like fvwm, Openbox or LXDE that makes
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:44:32 -0700
James Powell james4...@hotmail.com wrote:
So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement
Userspace IPC handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems
and UNIX?
Nothing. I've never felt the functionality to be especially valuable. I
guess
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I sent this message four hours ago, but didn't include the list
address. Sorry!
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On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:49:34PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
( shouldn't it be like below?, by the netiqette --see KalolaZ just
arrived letter in the Multi-seat thread-- ? )
Since you would still like it
I do not understand this entire thread.
I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be.
What does the Mir prefi contribute the the eaning?
What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck?
-- hendrik
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On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200
Michael Bütow mbu...@houtbay.com wrote:
I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of D-Bus
related software in Devuan, they can set up their own spin of it.
For those of you who don't want dbus, my experience tells me that
getting rid of it
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:18:22 +0200
miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote:
What fundamentalists? The Gentoo folks? Thorsten mirabilos Glaser with
his MirDebian WTF project, a fundamentalist? Me, a fundamentalist?
What's the relationship between Thorsten Glaser, mirabilos, and
Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200
Michael Bütow mbu...@houtbay.com wrote:
I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of D-Bus
related software in Devuan, they can set up their own spin of it.
For those of you who don't want dbus, my experience tells me
Alsa uses dbus, since when?
On Jul 23, 2015 7:12 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:39:05 +0200
Michael Bütow mbu...@houtbay.com wrote:
I am sure if someone wants to expend the energy to get rid of D-Bus
related software in Devuan, they can set up their
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:00:48 +0200, Oz Tiram oz.ti...@gmail.com wrote:
Please explain it to me with out flames. [1]:
http://sysadmin.tme520.net/systemd-our-songs-of-innocence/
Cannot explain but I like this article very much. Especially this :
Now, for at least a couple of years, two
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:49:32AM +0300, Vlad wrote:
I think that the pretty useless feature which helped systemd into Debian in
the
first place was discussed some time ago.
Better footprint, less power consumption.
I rutinelly do two and three seat ws without any expensive usb hub: a
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:06:29AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I do not understand this entire thread.
I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be.
What does the Mir prefix contribute the the meaning?
What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck?
-- hendrik
(corrected
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On 23/07/15 07:49, James Powell wrote:
Devuan's main purpose is getting rid of systemd as a hard dependency and
allowing user choice in
init software
Well said, thank you, I very much agree with your entire post and would
prefer if there was
Le 22/07/2015 20:51, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:03:03 +0200
miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote:
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus.
Vdev does not use dbus. No idea how or why you came to
On 7/23/2015 12:49 AM, James Powell wrote:
First off cool your jets, and trying call me out on knowing the
internals of an IPC in Userspace I didn't develop is very childish.
I honestly don't care if D-Bus what it does other than be a
communication and messaging relay between applications
Guys, I have serious problems understanding what is the point of this thread,
really. And lenghty emails with many interleaving, fragmented discussions
and cross-quoting from several different sources are far from helpful.
Hi KatolaZ!
I assure you it was never my intention to offend anyone,
On 23/07/2015 10:36, T.J. Duchene wrote:
I do not understand this animosity toward D-BUS. Could you please
explain why it is such a point of contention? It is a only a
protocol, with many different implementations. It is comfortably
very generic and used on other UNIXs.
Simple: it has a
On 7/23/2015 5:16 AM, Laurent Bercot wrote:
I agree that it's a fight for another time, though.
TY! The information was very simple and very helpful. It's a design
flaw that annoys everyone so. This is quite understandable. It has been
my experience that a lot of code - FOSS or not -
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:54:06AM +0200, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote:
Is it because you send from (pasting from your header):
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/38.1.0
or is it for some other reason (or for both or/and other reasons
Like you I would like to get rid of Dbus. This was invented to replace
the
own equivalents of Gnome and KDE, and I need neither Gnome nor KDE. But
Dbus seems to have infected every other DE. At least Xfce4.
Didier
I do not understand this animosity toward D-BUS. Could you
Is it because you send from (pasting from your header):
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/38.1.0
or is it for some other reason (or for both or/and other reasons yet),
who can tell?
But...
On 7/23/2015 12:01 AM, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 05:05:52AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
Guys, I have serious problems understanding what is the point of this
thread,
really. And lenghty emails with many interleaving, fragmented discussions
and cross-quoting from several different sources are far from helpful.
Good morning,
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:39:23PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
[snip]
Multi-seat logins are very useful in situations where users do not understand
how to run X11 applications with different user permissions. It is an easy
mechanism that is familiar to users from other systems
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