Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-24 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Hleb, Those lines are located in debian/control. So..., an APT repository pointing to itself? Here you are an example random search in git: https://github.com/andrenth/postfix-erlang/blob/master/debian/control Aitor. El 25/09/15 a las 05:02, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> escribió: On

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 09:28:28PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: [cut] > > > > But let's be honest here: how many times does it happen that you have > > to reboot a production server nowadays? > > I think you are overlooking the vastity of use-cases here and I agree > with Laurent for a 5 minutes down

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 02:31:40PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Laurent Bercot writes: > > [...] > > > It manages dependencies between services, no matter whether they are > > oneshots or longruns; it can intertwine oneshot starts and longrun > > starts, or oneshot stops and longrun stops. Wh

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Simon Hobson
Rainer Weikusat wrote: > ... or the fact that apache on the box I'm presently > using 'depends' on bind and syslog. Well in the general case*, those are not unreasonable dependencies. In the general case*, Apache needs** DNS resolution during startup, and it rather makes sense** if it's able t

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-24 Thread Hleb Valoshka
On 9/24/15, Edward Bartolo wrote: > What about these? > > deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main > deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main >>> XS-Vcs-Git: g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git >>> XS-Vcs-Browser: https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git >> >> These two

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 24/09/2015 21:23, Steve Litt wrote: What's the benefit of having the shortest run-time code path of any service manager? - Speed: a short run-time code path means that less instructions are executed, so the job is done faster. The point is to do the amount of necessary work (calling the scr

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Steve Litt writes: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:31:40 +0100 > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> Laurent Bercot writes: >> >> [...] >> >> > It manages dependencies between services, no matter whether they are >> > oneshots or longruns; it can intertwine oneshot starts and longrun >> > starts, or oneshot

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Jaromil writes: > congrats to the on-time release Laurent! > > dear Katolaz and others > > On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, KatolaZ wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 07:20:25PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: >> > On 24/09/2015 17:51, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> > >If it starts working within less than five minu

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 15:40:23 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Laurent Bercot writes: > > On 24/09/2015 15:31, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> I'd still very much like to see an actual example which really > >> needs these depenencies which isn't either bogus or a workaround > >> for a bug in the softw

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:31:40 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Laurent Bercot writes: > > [...] > > > It manages dependencies between services, no matter whether they are > > oneshots or longruns; it can intertwine oneshot starts and longrun > > starts, or oneshot stops and longrun stops. When ch

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Jaromil
congrats to the on-time release Laurent! dear Katolaz and others On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 07:20:25PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: > > On 24/09/2015 17:51, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > >If it starts working within less than five minutes, users will > > >forget

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 23:44:36 +0200 Laurent Bercot wrote: > s6-rc features the shortest run-time code path of any service > manager to this day: this includes systemd, sysv-rc, and OpenRC. What's the benefit of having the shortest run-time code path of any service manager? Thanks, and keep u

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-24 Thread Edward Bartolo
What about these? deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main Edward On 24/09/2015, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/22/15, aitor_czr wrote: > >> XS-Vcs-Git: g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git >> XS-Vcs-Browser: ht

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Laurent Bercot writes: > On 24/09/2015 17:51, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> If it starts working within less than five minutes, users will forget >> about it faster than they could complain, especially for a system which >> is usually supposed to be running. But that's actually a digression. > > Five

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-24 Thread Hleb Valoshka
On 9/22/15, aitor_czr wrote: > XS-Vcs-Git: g...@git.devuan.org:edbarx/netman.git > XS-Vcs-Browser: https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/netman.git These two should point to a package repository not an upstream one. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org http

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 07:20:25PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: > On 24/09/2015 17:51, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >If it starts working within less than five minutes, users will forget > >about it faster than they could complain, especially for a system which > >is usually supposed to be running. But

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 24/09/2015 17:51, Rainer Weikusat wrote: If it starts working within less than five minutes, users will forget about it faster than they could complain, especially for a system which is usually supposed to be running. But that's actually a digression. Five minutes? And you think it's accept

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Laurent Bercot writes: > On 24/09/2015 16:40, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> Hence 'failure' >> is part of the normal mode of operation and proccesses trying to use TCP >> need to deal with that. > > Yeah, well, if your favorite startup mode is to start everything at > the same time and say "eh, if

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 05:04:51PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote: [cut] > > >That's slightly different because it's obviously not possible to start a > >program stored in a file (which needs various other files to start) > >before accessing any of these files is possible (it's still subject to > >

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 24/09/2015 16:40, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Hence 'failure' is part of the normal mode of operation and proccesses trying to use TCP need to deal with that. Yeah, well, if your favorite startup mode is to start everything at the same time and say "eh, if it doesn't work, the program is suppos

Re: [DNG] Fail to install devuan-jessie-netboot-amd64-alpha2 on metal

2015-09-24 Thread Antonio Trkdz.tab
Hi, I'll just append to this conversation as I installed the netboot successfully on my desktop pc, but I had a minor "issue". The installer went straight without asking unnecessary questions up to the point it gave me the choice of where to install the system. At that point choosing manual parti

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Laurent Bercot writes: > On 24/09/2015 15:31, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> I'd still very much like to see an actual example which really needs >> these depenencies which isn't either bogus or a workaround for a bug in >> the software being managed. > > Your network must be up before you do any netw

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 24/09/2015 15:31, Rainer Weikusat wrote: I'd still very much like to see an actual example which really needs these depenencies which isn't either bogus or a workaround for a bug in the software being managed. Your network must be up before you do any network connections. Your DNS cache mu

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Laurent Bercot writes: [...] > It manages dependencies between services, no matter whether they are > oneshots or longruns; it can intertwine oneshot starts and longrun > starts, or oneshot stops and longrun stops. When changing the machine > state, it always ensures the consistency of the depen

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-24 Thread aitor_czr
I forgot one issue, the most important: iface wlan0 inet dhcp replicates! I will add in netman-backend.postinst something like this: | FILE=/etc/network/interfaces |if grep "^|iface wlan0 inet dhcp|" ${FILE} then echo "|iface wlan0 inet dhcp| allready exits in /etc/network/interfaces

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-24 Thread aitor_czr
Hi again, I uploaded the updated packages of 'netman' to: deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main deb-src http://packages.gnuinos.org/devuan/ jessie main If you want to test them, add the above repository to your sources.list and import the public key installing: # apt-get

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-24 Thread aitor_czr
I pushed to git.devuan.org all the suggested improvements: https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/netman/branches Thanks. Aitor. On 24/09/15 07:45, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi Aitor, > > fsmithred found that /etc/network/interfaces should not contain > partially commented lines. Please make sure comme

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-24 Thread Peter Olson
> On September 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM Laurent Bercot wrote: > > >> if you can confirm the plan of releasing s6-rc within september > > I confirm it. > > And, lo and behold, I'm on schedule for once. > s6-rc-0.0.1.0 is out. Expubident! Peter Olson

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-24 Thread aitor_czr
I didn't express myself well. Aitor. On 23/09/2015, tilt! wrote: >> > My bad, thanks for explaining - perfectly fine of course. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > T. >> > >> > Am 23.09.2015 um 20:57 schrieb aitor_czr: >>> >> Hi Tilt, >>> >> >>> >> I was referring to a branch into the netman project i

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-24 Thread aitor_czr
I already guesed it. I added the comment in the same line because i was testing a netman.postrm file in order to remove the line added by netman in /etc/network/interfaces when the package is uninstalled. But perhaps it is not necessary. After that, i forgot to remove the comment. Thanks. Aitor.