Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread David Hare
Boruch, the iso boots from isolinux, (isolinux/live.cfg), grub is not involved. My notes (so far): What is ${netconfig_opt} in live.cfg? What is udevuan.cfg? "vga=792" may fail in some case, probably best not set as default Menu entry "(nofb)": Runlevel 3 has no special meaning for this iso (R

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:44:23AM +0100, David Hare wrote: > Boruch, the iso boots from isolinux, (isolinux/live.cfg), grub is not > involved. > > My notes (so far): > > What is ${netconfig_opt} in live.cfg? > It's coming from refracta, I guess. It should probably be removed in the future. >

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:53:57PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: > @KatolaZ (and everyone else): I just took the 2016-05-17 iteration of > devuan-minimal for a short spin, and here are my notes. In summary, it > seems to be a nicely prepared iso, with features that I've found > overlooked in much large

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

2016-05-18 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2016-05-17 at 13:38 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 09:27:43PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > > > I sincerely wish the remedy of installing openrc and pinning systemd > > > would work, but I'm sure it won't on the mid-long term. > > It obviously can't. The same

Re: [DNG] Brief OpenRC/Jessie Discussion on the linux-elitists lists

2016-05-18 Thread Boruch Baum
On 2016-05-18 12:11, Svante Signell wrote: > > ... > I'm listed as a co-maintainer of openrc (as well as ifupdown). However, due to > the hostile environment in Debian I'm reluctant to do any serious work on > these > packages, except contributing to RC bugs being solved, to keep them in > testin

[DNG] initramfs?

2016-05-18 Thread Rainer Weikusat
I have to build one of these things as part of packaging 'our' kernel (for more streamlined installations, ie, without compiling a dedicated kernel for each). I remember reading various criticisms about the impenetrable obscurity of the mechanism/ arrangement here in the past but so far, it seems r

Re: [DNG] initramfs?

2016-05-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:21:11PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > I have to build one of these things as part of packaging 'our' kernel > (for more streamlined installations, ie, without compiling a dedicated > kernel for each). I remember reading various criticisms about the > impenetrable obscur

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread fsmithred
On 05/18/2016 05:04 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:44:23AM +0100, David Hare wrote: >> What is ${netconfig_opt} in live.cfg? >> > > It's coming from refracta, I guess. It should probably be removed in > the future. Yes, ${netconfig_opt} is from refractasnapshot and can be turned

Re: [DNG] about fglrx (especially to Irrwahn)

2016-05-18 Thread emninger
Am Wed, 18 May 2016 03:54:05 + schrieb Irrwahn : [ . . . ] > The virtual package xorg-video-abi 18 is provided by xserver- > xorg-core version 1.16 from Jessie (currently that's 2:1.16.4-1, > to be precise). So you'd have to downgrade that package, and in > consequence downgrade xorg (and

Re: [DNG] about fglrx (especially to Irrwahn)

2016-05-18 Thread Irrwahn
On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:22:25 +0200, Emninger wrote: > Am Wed, 18 May 2016 03:54:05 + > schrieb Irrwahn : > > [ . . . ] > >> The virtual package xorg-video-abi 18 is provided by xserver- >> xorg-core version 1.16 from Jessie (currently that's 2:1.16.4-1, >> to be precise). So you'd have to

[DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy

2016-05-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..I'm overlooking something silly stupid, my last Debian Sid box didn't wanna boot sysv anymore, possibly because I held systemd firmly at version 228-6 and booted it up from sysv, enough is enough, right? ;o) ..the last coupla days the thing would only boot sysv in runlevel 1, everything

Re: [DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy

2016-05-18 Thread Boruch Baum
On 2016-05-18 18:24, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > DNG, I'm still left with runlevel 1, the damned thin will only > accept root's passwd on the console, I can start and run ssh and X > etc all day, and it works all nice except I have my password > rejected once I try a login. Sounds to me like an issue wi

Re: [DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy

2016-05-18 Thread Irrwahn
On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:24:23 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [about booting a system after Debian\Sid to Devuan\Ceres transition] > ..now having thrown out all the systemd crud I see mentioned here at > DNG, I'm still left with runlevel 1, the damned thin will only accept > root's passwd on the conso

Re: [DNG] initramfs?

2016-05-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:34:22 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:21:11PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > I have to build one of these things as part of packaging 'our' > > kernel (for more streamlined installations, ie, without compiling a > > dedicated kernel for each). I remembe

[DNG] Signature verification

2016-05-18 Thread Paweł Cholewiński
Hi List, how to verify that SHA256SUMS file (https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/) is not changed (how to check its signature). Thanks, Paweł ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] initramfs?

2016-05-18 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 18/05/2016 20:38, Steve Litt a écrit : On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:34:22 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:21:11PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: I have to build one of these things as part of packaging 'our' kernel (for more streamlined installations, ie, without compiling a dedic

Re: [DNG] Signature verification

2016-05-18 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Paweł Cholewiński" > Hi List, > how to verify that SHA256SUMS file > (https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/) is not changed (how to > check its signature). In the directory which contains both the downloaded iso and the SHA256SUMS file, run this comman

Re: [DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy

2016-05-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 18 May 2016 13:05:31 -0400, Boruch wrote in message <20160518170531.gk32...@e15-2016.optimum.net>: > On 2016-05-18 18:24, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > DNG, I'm still left with runlevel 1, the damned thin will only > > accept root's passwd on the console, I can start and run ssh and X > > etc a

Re: [DNG] Signature verification

2016-05-18 Thread Paweł Cholewiński
How to check integrity of this SHA256SUMS file and how to ensure the data is the same as it was when it was originally created - how to verify digital signature of this file (if it have digital signature). I never verified digital signature with gpg. W dniu 18.05.2016 o 21:13, Rob Owens pisze: > -

Re: [DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy

2016-05-18 Thread Boruch Baum
On 2016-05-18 21:27, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 18 May 2016 13:05:31 -0400, Boruch wrote in message > > Sounds to me like an issue with 'pam', and that you're fix will be in > > /etc/pam.d. > > ... > > ..thanks, I'll try this next if the pam diagnosis fails. Glad to be of help. Let us know

Re: [DNG] initramfs?

2016-05-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 18 May 2016 21:11:47 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 18/05/2016 20:38, Steve Litt a écrit : > > On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:34:22 +0100 > > KatolaZ wrote: > > > >> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 12:21:11PM +0100, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >>> I have to build one of these things as part of packaging

Re: [DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy

2016-05-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 18 May 2016 19:23:27 +0200, Irrwahn wrote in message <48e882e7-9b75-2bb5-769f-a93c4126e...@freenet.de>: > On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:24:23 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > [about booting a system after Debian\Sid to Devuan\Ceres transition] > > > ..now having thrown out all the systemd crud I

Re: [DNG] ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy

2016-05-18 Thread Irrwahn
On Wed, 18 May 2016 22:31:00 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 18 May 2016 19:23:27 +0200, Irrwahn wrote in message > <48e882e7-9b75-2bb5-769f-a93c4126e...@freenet.de>: >> However, with all due respect, just wiping the thing >> and doing a genuine Devuan install might save you a lot >> o

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread David Hare
sudo is set up automatically by /lib/live/config/0040-sudo .. unless "nocomponents=sudo" is on the cmdline. By default for "user" unless "username=xyz" is specified. On 18 May 2016 at 14:52, fsmithred wrote: > On 05/18/2016 05:04 AM, KatolaZ wrote: >> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:44:23AM +0100, Dav

[DNG] ..all joy now, was: ..booting an old Sid->Ceres past runlevel 1... no login joy

2016-05-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:10:19 -0400, Boruch wrote in message <20160518201019.ga1...@e15-2016.optimum.net>: > On 2016-05-18 21:27, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 18 May 2016 13:05:31 -0400, Boruch wrote in message > > > Sounds to me like an issue with 'pam', and that you're fix will > > > be in /e

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:52:57AM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > I think it's also removed in the boot menu of my unofficial live beta, but > it's still there in refractasnapshot. No plans to get rid of that. Ok, I'm confused. Is the mini live image that KatolaZ produced a small version of your unoffi

[DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

2016-05-18 Thread Joel Roth
Hi, Having handled many of the issues relating to init system to the point of being able to release Devuan jessie beta, I wonder if Devuan community is ready to support action on other scourges of the linux on personal computer ecosystem. I am thinking specifically of three key mapping bugaboos:

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 05:04:53PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:52:57AM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > > I think it's also removed in the boot menu of my unofficial live beta, but > > it's still there in refractasnapshot. No plans to get rid of that. > > Ok, I'm confused. Is

Re: [DNG] Signature verification

2016-05-18 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:43:37PM +0200, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: > How to check integrity of this SHA256SUMS file and how to ensure the > data is the same as it was when it was originally created - how to > verify digital signature of this file (if it have digital signature). I > never verified d

Re: [DNG] devuan-minimal brief review notes

2016-05-18 Thread David Hare
Did "real" installations, both the original and the beta (bios machine). Went fast and flawlessly in both cases with refractainstaller. However, the "beta" failed to boot (to that installation) with a kernel panic.. update-grub had failed to configure /boot/initrd_devuan.img I made an entry in /e

Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

2016-05-18 Thread Go Linux
Hi Joel, I wouldn't exactly call you suggestions 'artistic'. Maybe slightly 'sadistic'? :) On Wed, 5/18/16, Joel Roth wrote: Subject: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 7:13 PM > > I wonder if Devuan community is ready to su

Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings

2016-05-18 Thread Irrwahn
On Wed, 18 May 2016 14:13:31 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Hi, > > Having handled many of the issues relating to init system > to the point of being able to release Devuan jessie beta, > I wonder if Devuan community is ready to support action on > other scourges of the linux on personal computer ecosy