On 24/08/17 00:03, Adam Borowski wrote:
Hi!
I'd like to recommend another improvement: let's make the installer default
to noatime for fstab it creates.
In the past, atime updates used to ruin performance. Thanks to work by Ted
Ts'o and others, that penalty has been greatly reduced (but not eli
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> On one hand, X desperately needed a clean rewrite, at least 30 years ago.
> On the other... despite some experienced X people being among Wayland
> developers, there's too much bizarre stuff like:
>
> https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland/Primar
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 06:13:30PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> So, anyway, X11 somewhat sucks. (Will Wayland suck less? Don't hold
> your breath waiting.)
On one hand, X desperately needed a clean rewrite, at least 30 years ago.
On the other... despite some experienced X people being among Wayland
I meant to include this:
[UNIX-HATER's Handbook:]
> Said volume, a flawed minor classic of the rant genre, has always had
> fans in Unixdom, including yr. present correspondent. It's a
> compilation of postings to the old (long-gone, I think) mailing list
> UNIX-HATERS, mostly sent by disgruntle
On 2017-08-23 20:13, Rick Moen wrote:
Anyway, you have invented in your mind a problem that (in my considered
view) doesn't exist, tried to present a really terrible solution to the
alleged problem, and (not _just_ in my considered view, but observably)
gotten zero pickup.
Chuckled when I rea
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> I looked this up, and the only reference I saw was
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM#Environments, and that didn't
> make it sticky, it just made your .xinitrc DEFAULTSESSION the default
> if you chose something outside of the .xinitrc ca
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:10:39 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Steve may or may not have noticed that I also did answer his other
> question: For a user to make a system's choice of window manager
> 'sticky' in SLiM, he/she need only edit ~/.xinitrc . Thus, each user
> gets to declare a preference.
I
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> > Uh-huh. Seen that.
> > https://xkcd.com/927/
>
> That's not relevant to this particular discussion, as it discusses a
> standard, not a term to unify two terms that, at least from a certain
> viewpoint, are the same thing.
I believe the applic
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:17:58 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Stephen Dennison (stephe...@gmail.com):
>
> > No, I mean, I literally don't understand the use of the words chosen
> > and how they're supposed to modify each other. Based on your
> > interpretation, my guesswork of his intended usag
Hi!
I'd like to recommend another improvement: let's make the installer default
to noatime for fstab it creates.
In the past, atime updates used to ruin performance. Thanks to work by Ted
Ts'o and others, that penalty has been greatly reduced (but not eliminated)
by two options:
* relatime (on by
> On Aug 22, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Dave Turner
> wrote:
>
> There's a lot of heavy discussion going on in
>
> 'Proposed change to ascii' and 'an alternative to renaming'
>
> But what does Linus do? How does he think this should play out?
>
> I am a big fan of 'going with the flow' apart from whe
Edward Bartolo:
...
> For instance, a mains transformer based power supply, normally has a
> far longer life than a switched mode power supply, although the latter
...
There are several drawback useing the old transformer + rectifier
design. Of main consern is the current spikes seen on the power
Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org):
> >> Manual Xorg configuration is so tedious, time consuming and error
> >> prone that requiring users to be capable of it is just crazy.
> > Au contraire: Even if you had nothing besides Xorg (or previously
> > XFree86) itself, in almost all cases you
Alessandro:
> On 22/08/2017 at 02:01, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> >
> >> Manually creating the configuration -- or even manually triggering its
> >> creation -- is a pretty bad idea. It just guarantees you won't have
> >> working X when you make any change
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 10:06:26 -0700
> Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> >
> >> Not having to login as root to manually configure Xorg just to change
> >> video card or monitor was one of the bes
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:00:12 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
<20170823180012.327dbdc8@ayu>:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200
> Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
> > :
> >
> >> On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> >>>
Quoting Stephen Dennison (stephe...@gmail.com):
> No, I mean, I literally don't understand the use of the words chosen
> and how they're supposed to modify each other. Based on your
> interpretation, my guesswork of his intended usage of the acronym was
> more or less accurate, but I don't unders
Steve Litt [2017-08-23 18:03]:
> You just said it in the first sentence of the preceding paragraph: Why
> not substitute the phrase "grapical environment" for "session"? If
> "graphical environment" isn't perfect, it's a hell of a lot better than
> either "session", "window manager" or "desktop en
Steve Litt [2017-08-23 18:00]:
>> "Window Manager" would be the best, I think. I agree that "Session"
>> can be misleading. How many users would know what you mean by
>> "GOSFUI", a not at all intuitive and far too long abbreviation almost
>> never used outside of this mailing list?
> Then we sho
Rick Moen [2017-08-23 19:06]:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> Not having to login as root to manually configure Xorg just to change
>> video card or monitor was one of the best and most wanted improvements in
>> Linux in the past 10 years.
> I'm sure, but on the othe
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Stephen Dennison (stephe...@gmail.com):
>
>> A user interface that faces a graphical operating system... I don't
>> understand the choice of words picked here. I followed the link but
>> it didn't really help. I'm not sure which words a
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 18:50:35 +0200
Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Sometimes there are advantages in opting to use the old way.
Sometimes. But electric car starters are not anything new, they were
patented in 1911, 15 years after they were first produced, at a time when
Artificial Intelligence mea
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 10:06:26 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> Not having to login as root to manually configure Xorg just to change
>> video card or monitor was one of the best and most wanted improvements in
>> Linux in the past 10 years.
Quoting Stephen Dennison (stephe...@gmail.com):
> A user interface that faces a graphical operating system... I don't
> understand the choice of words picked here. I followed the link but
> it didn't really help. I'm not sure which words are supposed to be
> modifying which other words.
Here's
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Fvwm is a lightweight GOSFUI
> (Graphical Operating System Facing User
> Interface (http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/gosfui.htm)) that is
>
A user interface that faces a graphical operating system... I don't
understand the choic
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:50:35 +0200, Edward wrote in message
:
> Sometimes there are advantages in opting to use the old way.
>
> For instance, a mains transformer based power supply, normally has a
> far longer life than a switched mode power supply, although the latter
> offer the advantage of
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> Not having to login as root to manually configure Xorg just to change
> video card or monitor was one of the best and most wanted improvements in
> Linux in the past 10 years.
I'm sure, but on the other hand, how often did that happen? Ex
Quoting Renaud OLGIATI (ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org):
> 'solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short' come to mind
The long-lamented ntk.net ('Need to Know') newsletter carried a cheeky
subhead declaring itself 'nasty, British, and short'. All readers of
Hobbes cheered.
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Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> Then we should think of a better word to represent the union of window
> managers and desktop environments.
No, you have completely misdefined the problem, and this is why you
continually just raise noise on the matter and not help anything.
An
Sometimes there are advantages in opting to use the old way.
For instance, a mains transformer based power supply, normally has a
far longer life than a switched mode power supply, although the latter
offer the advantage of supplying far higher currents at lower DC
voltages. Still, for an old elec
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> You just said it in the first sentence of the preceding paragraph: Why
> not substitute the phrase "grapical environment" for "session"?
Um, how about because that would be factually mistaken?
It would be an excellent idea if you were to poke ar
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 17:48:02 +0200
Alessandro Selli wrote:
> >> People were happy even before the steam engine was invented.
> > 'solitary,
> Do you think so?
> > poor,
> It depends; when the wealthiest individuals where those who could afford a
> horse, wealth was more evently
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, Evilham wrote:
> Remember I set up Monit alerts for most of Devuan's infra a few
> weeks ago and they've been quite helpful :-).
yes!! very. I skip the detail you were using monit, being all on your
server I did not bother (and sincerely also happy to not bother in
understand
Quoting Michael Siegel (mi...@malbolge.net):
> What is being chosen there, is actually a profile for the graphical
> environment. So, neither "window manager" nor "desktop environment"
> really fit. You could say "profile", but "session" seems to be the
> (de-facto) standard term. Also, it makes s
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 10:53:43 +0200
Michael Siegel wrote:
> Am 23.08.2017 um 09:31 schrieb Harald Arnesen:
> > Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]:
> >
> >> As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is
> >> something that runs for awhile, and usually the implication is
> >> it's alre
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:31:45 +0200
Harald Arnesen wrote:
> Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]:
>
> > As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is
> > something that runs for awhile, and usually the implication is it's
> > already running. I think the word "session" needs to be change
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200
Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
> :
>
>> On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message
>>> <20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>:
>>>
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 05:22:20 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:24:28 +0200
> Alessandro Selli wrote:
>
>>> I really don't know why so many people think hotplugging is a major
>>> need, anyway. I happily used Linux for a very long time before it
>>> existed.
>
>>
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
:
> On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message
> > <20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>:
> >
> >> There are cases when the old way had its merit -- but here, we
Hello :),
Am 22/08/2017 um 17:54 schrieb Jaromil:
>
> dear DNG'ers
>
> on my quest to study more supervision programs for my own use, I've
> found out (just now!) about monit:
>
> https://mmonit.com/monit/
>
> I'm wondering if you have experiences using it and what are your
> opinions, it see
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:24:28 +0200
Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > I really don't know why so many people think hotplugging is a major
> > need, anyway. I happily used Linux for a very long time before it
> > existed.
> People were happy even before the steam engine was invented.
'solitary, poo
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 09:51:46AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 22/08/2017 at 15:36, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> > The advantage of supporting an option like "hwaddr=a0:d3:c1:9d:a5:86"
> > is that the admin is free to specify interfaces by names or by MAC
> > address. Of course, there is now
Le 23/08/2017 à 09:51, Alessandro Selli a écrit :
Actually, changing an interface's MAC address is not at all "severe
hacking", it's as easy as running ip link set address 00:e0:4d:78:5b:5b dev
eth0
By "severe", I didn't mean "difficult" :-)
Didier
Am 23.08.2017 um 09:31 schrieb Harald Arnesen:
> Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]:
>
>> As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is something
>> that runs for awhile, and usually the implication is it's already
>> running. I think the word "session" needs to be changed to "GOSFUI".
On 22/08/2017 at 15:36, Didier Kryn wrote:
[...]
> The advantage of supporting an option like "hwaddr=a0:d3:c1:9d:a5:86"
> is that the admin is free to specify interfaces by names or by MAC
> address. Of course, there is now the possibility to change the MAC address
> of an interface, but thi
On 22/08/2017 at 02:01, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
>
>> Manually creating the configuration -- or even manually triggering its
>> creation -- is a pretty bad idea. It just guarantees you won't have
>> working X when you make any change to your hardware -- and
On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message
> <20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>:
>
>> There are cases when the old way had its merit -- but here, we have an
>> equivalent of a car that needs to be started with a hand-crank.
>
Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]:
> As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is something
> that runs for awhile, and usually the implication is it's already
> running. I think the word "session" needs to be changed to "GOSFUI". If
> you'd rather not use a word directly created to h
On 22/08/2017 at 15:22, Rick Moen wrote:
> I really don't know why so many people think hotplugging is a major
> need, anyway. I happily used Linux for a very long time before it
> existed.
People were happy even before the steam engine was invented.
Alessandro
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