Re: [DNG] Command to permanently prevent sysvinit from starting daemon

2018-10-20 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/20/18 11:18 PM, J. Fahrner wrote: Am 2018-10-21 08:10, schrieb Steve Litt: In Devuan, what's the command to permanently prevent sysvinit from starting a daemon. man update-rc.d You can remove or disable a service. Jochen Can a person simple remove the 'exe' properties from the rc-* s

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-20 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/20/18 11:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 07:50:48 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: Am 2018-10-21 03:41, schrieb Jimmy Johnson: Pottering only selling point was the systemd is faster, my testings on many systems says that's a lie. I'm not saying it can't be faster, while using syst

Re: [DNG] Command to permanently prevent sysvinit from starting daemon

2018-10-20 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2018-10-21 08:10, schrieb Steve Litt: In Devuan, what's the command to permanently prevent sysvinit from starting a daemon. man update-rc.d You can remove or disable a service. Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.d

[DNG] Command to permanently prevent sysvinit from starting daemon

2018-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, In Devuan, what's the command to permanently prevent sysvinit from starting a daemon. Yeah, I know I could research this, but I don't need to become a sysvinit expert when so many such experts reside here. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start

Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..

2018-10-20 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/20/18 8:42 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Jimmy Johnson (field.engin...@gmail.com): Who remembers when rootkit hunter started showing problems and Debian said they where false positive problems? I think it was sometime during the development of Stretch. Well they fixed rootkit hunter to not

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 07:50:48 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Am 2018-10-21 03:41, schrieb Jimmy Johnson: > > Pottering only selling point was the systemd is faster, my testings > > on many systems says that's a lie. I'm not saying it can't be > > faster, while using systemd if I push and hold the on/

[DNG] Daemon names for runit

2018-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Please view http://troubleshooters.com/linux/init/runit_daemon_list.htm and if you use any daemons not on that list, please email me with the daemon name(s) so I can get run scripts for them. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Busin

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-20 Thread J. Fahrner
Am 2018-10-21 03:41, schrieb Jimmy Johnson: Pottering only selling point was the systemd is faster, my testings on many systems says that's a lie. I'm not saying it can't be faster, while using systemd if I push and hold the on/off switch my computer shuts down fast. If I understand you, you're

Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..

2018-10-20 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Jimmy Johnson (field.engin...@gmail.com): > Who remembers when rootkit hunter started showing problems and > Debian said they where false positive problems? I think it was > sometime during the development of Stretch. Well they fixed rootkit > hunter to not show those problems any longer a

[DNG] Who remembers rootkit..

2018-10-20 Thread Jimmy Johnson
Who remembers when rootkit hunter started showing problems and Debian said they where false positive problems? I think it was sometime during the development of Stretch. Well they fixed rootkit hunter to not show those problems any longer and so goes systemd, one BIG FAT security problem and ha

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-20 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/20/18 8:17 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 07:19:49 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: Unfortunately, pointing to a bunch of scripts is not enough: It's a starting point. Power-user individuals can start using runit today, with no action by any developers. But wait, there's more... you

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting blinkdog (blink...@protonmail.com): > +1, I also found that information very useful. In particular, that > bzip2 should be deprecated and that xz is both better and faster than > gzip at some setting were very useful to me. FWIW, now recorded in the Linuxmafia.com Knowledgebase as 'Compre

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-20 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/19/18 10:19 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 09:55:31PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Some folks are asking for automatic sysvinit init script generation, or else unit file to sysvinit init script converters. Some are asking Devuan's developers to prioritize their scarce programmer re

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-20 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 10/19/18 6:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Lennart pats himself on the back for his parallel instantiation. Notice how I allowed primecache.sh to run, in the background, while other boot activities were done. But wait, there's more. Runit goes around in a circle, creating 1 daemon supervisors, witho

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread blinkdog
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 5:16 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Honestly, Adam's run-through was so close to being exhaustive and > definitive as to be IMO sort of breathtaking. And thus appreciated by this > correspondent. +1, I also found that information very useful. In particular, that bzip2 should

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > ...and by this too. Like I liked the humor in those 2 lines I got > blamed for. ;o) Which we could have been a little clearer about. I did notice and appreciate the gentle raillery, Arnt. ;-> > ..I believe I have seen (about 20 years ago) a wintendo o

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 15:16:33 -0700, Rick wrote in message <20181020221633.ga17...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > > > > You forgot 'pack' :-) > > > > > > You forgot pigz lbzip2 pixz pxz, those are multicore, multithtread > > > programs. > > > > ...and rzip

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no): > > > You forgot 'pack' :-) > > > > You forgot pigz lbzip2 pixz pxz, those are multicore, multithtread > > programs. > > ...and rzip and lrzip... ;oD Honestly, Adam's run-through was so close to being exhaustive and definitive as to be IMO sort of brea

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 23:24:46 +0200, arne wrote in message <20181020232446.231bf6f5@ryzen>: > On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 23:08:23 +0200 > Harald Arnesen wrote: > > > Adam Borowski [20/10/2018 22.54]: > > > > > Anything else has been obsoleted and should be deprecated: > > > * gzip is venerable and h

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread arne
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 23:08:23 +0200 Harald Arnesen wrote: > Adam Borowski [20/10/2018 22.54]: > > > Anything else has been obsoleted and should be deprecated: > > * gzip is venerable and had seen so much use in the past that it > > won't ever go away. But you shouldn't use it: it's speed is same

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread Harald Arnesen
Adam Borowski [20/10/2018 22.54]: > Anything else has been obsoleted and should be deprecated: > * gzip is venerable and had seen so much use in the past that it won't ever > go away. But you shouldn't use it: it's speed is same as xz at level 2.5 > but compression ratio is drastically worse.

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 12:39:39PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I want to make a VM from devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_qemu.qcow2.xz > > After 15 minutes googling and reading Devuan docs, I have nothing that > works. How do I unarchive the file? Could you please put the method in > the README file? Uhm,

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread Harald Arnesen
Steve Litt [20/10/2018 18.39]: > I want to make a VM from devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_qemu.qcow2.xz > > After 15 minutes googling and reading Devuan docs, I have nothing that > works. How do I unarchive the file? Could you please put the method in > the README file? $ aptitude search xz ... i xz-

[DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

2018-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, I want to make a VM from devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_qemu.qcow2.xz After 15 minutes googling and reading Devuan docs, I have nothing that works. How do I unarchive the file? Could you please put the method in the README file? SteveT Steve Litt September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessnes

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-20 Thread wirelessduck
> ..you mean remmina? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remmina > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=remmina > https://manpages.debian.org/stretch-backports/remmina/remmina.1.en.html Sorry, yes. I blame autocorrect for that mistake. —Tom ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 07:19:49 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > Unfortunately, pointing to a bunch of scripts is not enough: It's a starting point. Power-user individuals can start using runit today, with no action by any developers. But wait, there's more... > you need > somebody who has experience of u

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 01:14:25PM +0200, Miroslav Skoric wrote: > On 10/17/2018 09:10 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > > You may end up with network delays for systems that are designed with > > the speed of a local video display in mind. > > > > Well I am not in a hurry. I would make a try in

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 01:07:19PM +0200, Miroslav Skoric wrote: > On 10/17/2018 03:18 PM, terryc wrote: > > > > Machines can > > > ping each other now, so besides introducing Devuan, I also want to > > > introduce Ubuntu via Devuan by some kind of remote GUI access or > > > like. Suggestions? Ple

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 00:05:55 +1100, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote in message <6ec111c6-d733-4e15-a944-e2419b63c...@gmail.com>: > > > > For Ubuntu there is Remina or like (if I recall the proper name) > > but duno what needs for Devuan. > > > > Misko > > Remains is also available from ascii-bac

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-20 Thread wirelessduck
> > For Ubuntu there is Remina or like (if I recall the proper name) but duno > what needs for Devuan. > > Misko Remains is also available from ascii-backports. —Tom ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailma

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-20 Thread Simon Hobson
Steve Litt wrote: > Stop the madness! +1, many times over ! > And, of course, pushbuttons and dials by their very nature are limiting Yes, yes. > Some Devuaners will say "but wait, bad as that is, it's still better > than modern init scripts." It is true that **SOME** init scripts have becom

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 13:07:19 +0200, Miroslav wrote in message <0a50e90e-0f7c-77c1-63f8-ce05b748f...@uns.ac.rs>: > On 10/17/2018 03:18 PM, terryc wrote: > > >> Machines can > >> ping each other now, so besides introducing Devuan, I also want to > >> introduce Ubuntu via Devuan by some kind of rem

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-20 Thread Miroslav Skoric
On 10/17/2018 10:16 PM, Bruce Ferrell wrote: For Linux stuff I've become somewhat fond of X2go Will check it. Tnx. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-20 Thread Miroslav Skoric
On 10/17/2018 09:10 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: You may end up with network delays for systems that are designed with the speed of a local video display in mind. Well I am not in a hurry. I would make a try in any case before the public demo, so if it does not work in acceptable way, I would tr

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-20 Thread Miroslav Skoric
On 10/17/2018 05:14 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: The easiest way would be to make a connection with ssh  -X or -Y which enables X-forwarding. You then can start a individual X program from the commandline but also the complete WM. Perfectly showing how capable linux is in use. For

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-20 Thread Miroslav Skoric
On 10/17/2018 03:18 PM, terryc wrote: Machines can ping each other now, so besides introducing Devuan, I also want to introduce Ubuntu via Devuan by some kind of remote GUI access or like. Suggestions? Please note that there is no Internet access to those boxes, so anything needed for each comp

Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!

2018-10-20 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 20/10/18 at 03:55, Steve Litt wrote: [...] > Stop the madness!   👍 [...] > http://smarden.org/runit/runscripts.htm   This link is http://smarden.org/runit/runscripts.html actually. > === > #!/bin/sh > if ping -4 -c1 8.8.8.8 > /dev/nu