Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

* On 2019 18 Mar 06:35 -0500, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > I wrote "the IP address is in /etc/hosts", but I think that should have > been "the IP address what your hostname resolves to" :-/ > > In many common scenarios that is likely to be the same as what is in > your /etc/hosts file, but really

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

* On 2019 09 Mar 18:09 -0600, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > All the info I have seen on this topic in the thread is consistent with > hostid returning the "mangled" IP address belonging to the machine's > current hostname. This is normally set from /etc/hostname. That file > is created during

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

* On 2019 09 Mar 17:01 -0600, Antoine via Dng wrote: > It looks to me as if this is indeed the computer's IP address... just the > loopback one, slightly mangled: > > - 127.0.0.1 => 0.127.1.0 i.e. 007f0100 > or > - 127.0.1.1 => 0.127.1.1 i.e. 007f0101 > > I tried changing the IPaddress on my

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

* On 2019 09 Mar 07:05 -0600, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > using the `hostid` command, I have (Devuan ASCII): > > $ hostid > 007f0101 > > which is the same value!!! > > I wonder... is it a "fixed" id for all Devuan installation as it seems to be? I get the same value on Debian Jessie i686,

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

* On 2019 08 Mar 08:00 -0600, KatolaZ wrote: > and, IIRC, also /var/lib/dbus/machine-id is re-generated at boot > time. But we need to double-check. Not on this Debian Buster machine. Both /var/lib/dbus/machine-id and /etc/machine-id have a date/time consistent with the initial system

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

I went through the LFS book and installation about ten years ago and did not keep it around as my daily driver. One soon learns the benefits of a binary distribution and the teams that provide just needed things like security updates that are integrated with the rest of the system. After using

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

* On 2018 03 Dec 04:10 -0600, KatolaZ wrote: > However, I think LFS it's not a particularly good solution for > everyday use, but this depends a lot on what is your definition of > "everyday use". You'd probably better suited with something like > gentoo or Slackware, maybe (but they are both

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

* On 2018 16 Nov 10:03 -0600, Edward Bartolo wrote: > A merger is when two or more entities become unified into one entity > like two companies becoming one single company. So, /usr merging > should require other directories becoming part of it. Googling brought > me a question on Ubuntu forums

Re: [DNG] A shift in systemd development

* On 2018 29 Oct 17:09 -0500, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:02:30 -0500 > goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > OK. Having no idea what an S/390 system is (except for a scan of the > > wikipedia page), I'm hoping that someone can 'splain how this will > > affect community based Linux

Re: [DNG] XFCE : can't open xsession-errors anymore (invalid UTF-8)

I would suggest trying Midnight Commander to view and alternately editing the file. Sometimes it must be configured to use its internal editor after installation or else it uses the system defined editor. Its internal editor can be switched to hex edit mode. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

A lot of sites have farmed that out to Google though a few, like the Emacs Wiki, have farmed it out to Duck Duck Go. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

* On 2018 13 Sep 09:53 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Doesn't anyone know how to make it like this: > > http://lists.golug.org/pipermail/tech/2018-September/date.html > > Easily put hundreds of emails on a page, great for Ctrl+F searching, > even if no built in search feature. Yes, that is my

Re: [DNG] How to setup uboot with an initrd on ARM?

After several tries and being unable to join #devuan-arm on IRC, I gave up on trying to get the entire rootfs to mount via USB. Instead through an SATA to USB adapter that I had laying around I now have the main root system on the micro SD card and made partitions for /var and /home on the SSD

[DNG] How to setup uboot with an initrd on ARM?

I would have posted this to the #devuan-arm IRC channel, but it requires some sort of registration and I am far too tired to deal with yet another registration hassle. I could rant for a while this morning on registrations... To wit, I have an Olimex A20-OLinuxino-micro that for whatever reason

Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware

For those not wanting to use PayPal, Pat posted his mailing address: PO BOX 172, Sebeka, MN 56477 https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-slackware-4175634729/page31.html#post5886096 About which he says it's not a secret as it has been in the slackware.com whois domain

Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware

* On 2018 31 Jul 01:46 -0500, aitor_czr wrote: > I couldn't find the new explaining what happened to Patrick. Here is the > link containing the letter: > > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/%5Bslackware%5D-patrick-needs-help-255700/ > > He also gives his phone number (only

Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware

* On 2018 26 Jul 18:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Bruce, > > It sounds like you have personal contact with him. Do you have for sure > knowledge as to whether the https://www.paypal.me/volkerdi is Patrick's > and funds I put in it would actually go to Patrick? I'm reasonably certain that it is

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

At one time there were comments that not all packages were available on amd64. Even today that can be true, especially for some third party stuff. To wit, a prominent manufacturer of amateur radio equipment offers utilities for its hardware for Linux in addition to the other two, but the Linux

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

* On 2018 10 Jun 19:04 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting info at smallinnovations dot nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl): > > > Discussion at slashdot is a waste of time nowadays (I do have a 5 digit > > uid from the time ./ had some merits). > > {ahem} FWIW: > > rickmoen (1322) > >

Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub

I deleted my linkedin account a few years ago. Almost immediately I started receiving invitations from some people that I only knew peripherally. Why would they care? None of the people I knew well ever said anything about my leaving. It didn't take long to write a procmail recipe to send all

Re: [DNG] Systemd introduces "Portable Services"

systemd won't be done until it can read mail, apparently. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

* On 2018 26 May 00:24 -0500, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I'm looking at it this way, Devuan is an alternative to systemd and Trinity > is an alternative to plasma and I strongly feel systemd and plasma are > married to each other I am running Slackware Current (similar to Debian Unstable) on a laptop

Re: [DNG] Linus Torvalds may have damned systemd with faint praise

* On 2018 14 May 21:16 -0500, leonard ashley wrote: > Interesting post on The Register > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/17/linux_4_13_rc1/ That article is ten months old. Have there been any developments since? Nope? Okay, everyone keep up the good work. Carry on. - Nate -- "The

Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

* On 2018 10 Apr 16:38 -0500, chillfan wrote: > What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than > KDE/Plasma? I've not looked lately, but it started life after the KDE devs stopped supporting KDE 3.5.x and focused on KDE4. What it has acquired in the meantime, I don't know.

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

* On 2018 31 Mar 02:15 -0500, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 30/03/2018 à 16:28, Steve Litt a écrit : > > Here's why I wouldn't use Palemoon if it were the last browser on earth: > > > > https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 > > > > By the way, a little research on USPTO shows they have no

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

* On 2018 30 Mar 09:29 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Here's why I wouldn't use Palemoon if it were the last browser on earth: > > https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86 Thanks, Steve. I'm off to remove it from my laptop. I guess they just set themselves up as a "routing problem". Good

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

I have been using Waterfox of late which is *supposed* to be stripping that sort of nonsense out. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc

Re: [DNG] pua

* On 2018 21 Feb 06:49 -0600, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 08:48:44AM +, leloft wrote: > > > > Forgive me for cheap point scoring, but as some see systemd as falling > > on the pua/virus continuum, is it prudent to allow a 'systemd service > > override' to block its own

[DNG] Xfce 4.12 broken with Zaphod heads mode

Congrats on the release of ASCII beta today. In my testing, I am finding that Xfce 4.12 no longer appears capable of working nicely with my Xorg Zphod heads mode setup. I do have the separate screens and desktops and panels for each, but when I launch an Xfce Terminal on Screen 1, it is opened

Re: [DNG] Debian Devs using OSx? was Devuan in the German Wikipedia

* On 2017 19 Dec 16:12 -0600, Adam Borowski wrote: > For people working on server or web crap, that's reasonable (besides the > unreasonability of using OS X in general): a good part of server Debian > users connect from Windows or Fruits, developers doing so wouldn't make me > bat an eye. Note

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

* On 2017 11 Dec 10:13 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote: > This is the original saling argument, but it is wrong. Several persons > have already reported that Devuan's sysvinit booted faster than > Debian's systemd. It seems that as SD subsumes more and more services it would naturally slow down.

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

* On 2017 10 Nov 08:40 -0600, jack da wrote: > I fear for your finger joints, typing "fetchmail" 100k times each year! > Perhaps a daemon/bot to help automate things. As I'm not sure who this is in reply to since it is a new thread in Mutt, I will point you to the comprehensive fetchmail manual

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

* On 2017 10 Nov 02:40 -0600, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Nate Bargmann writes: > >I've also used Procmail for an > >equal length of time and it is now claimed to be "unmaintained". > > Who claims that? Some months back I was looking for some tips on a rec

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

Well stated, Steve. I've been using Fetchmail for almost 19 years. Rock solid reliability, day after day, several times per hour. I've also used Procmail for an equal length of time and it is now claimed to be "unmaintained". Oh well, it works for me to sort my mail into Maildir "mailboxes" for

Re: [DNG] Getting to know Chris Lamb

* On 2017 28 Oct 18:36 -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > I was just looking at some old threads over at DUF and ran across this: > > https://www.debian.org/vote/2017/platforms/lamby > > Haven't given it a thorough reading but what I did see I found interesting . > . . Thanks for that. I've not

Re: [DNG] armhf support?

* On 2017 16 Oct 00:51 -0500, m712 wrote: > I want to install Debian Jessie via Linux Deploy on my Android device > (as a chroot), then migrate it to Devuan Jessie then ASCII. What's the > status on armhf architecture on Devuan? Anyone use it on an ARM > device? I don't know about ascii, I am

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

Sometimes, one simply stumbles upon an answer. Checking the Olimex forums I came afross this thread: https://www.olimex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5839.0 the final reply by one of the Olimex employees (I presume) says thus: The new controller has an extra pin called ETXERR, which is connected

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

* On 2017 13 Oct 14:45 -0500, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > I have a A20-OLinuXino-MICRO running Debian Jessie with a linux kernel > 4.8.17 I compiled myself. I needed support for a USB wifi nic not supported > by the kernel delivered with Olimex image. > > I compiled more modules (~2500) than

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

* On 2017 13 Oct 03:36 -0500, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 13-10-17 06:42, Gregory Nowak wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 09:01:05PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >>The Pi is unreliable with > >>a USB hard drive what with its USB and Ethernet being on s

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

* On 2017 12 Oct 23:23 -0500, John Franklin wrote: > Are you looking specifically for something with the Pi’s bare-board > form factor? The Zotac C-series of barebones machines also support > SATA and have no fans. (At least in the spin-and-move-air sense. > They have lots of

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

* On 2017 12 Oct 11:27 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Danger Will Robinson! > > My research shows that Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) has an Allwinner > bios, and any web search shows clearly that Allwinner is a serial GPL > violator. I guess it would be wise to smash the whole thing to bits and

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

* On 2017 12 Oct 07:31 -0500, Adam Sampson wrote: > Hi Nate, > > Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> writes: > > > I just received a Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) board [...] The > > problem is that the ethernet port simply isn't passing traffic (it > > works just

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

* On 2017 11 Oct 21:56 -0500, mdn wrote: > It's being a while but I remember having trouble because the ethernet > MAC address is randomly generated at each start. So far, the MAC address is the same between Olimex Debian and embedded Devuan. Even so, if the port were working, that shouldn't be

[DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

I just received a Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) board yesterday and have been playing with it. It works just fine with the Olimex provided Debian Jessie. As I would like a newer kernel to use BTRFS with a SATA drive, I found my way to our friendly Devuan images. I imaged a different micro SD

Re: [DNG] Yunit

* On 2017 20 Sep 06:36 -0500, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann: > > >I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system. > >Services, yes, an init, not so much. > > Because systemd is not only an init system, it provides a lot

Re: [DNG] Yunit

* On 2017 20 Sep 04:01 -0500, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd > and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest > "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might > be or become agnostic on init systems. I read the forum

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

* On 2017 17 Sep 15:57 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Dennis Thompson and the boys really, really, REALLY should have > specified that every home directory have a subdirectory called etc, and > every and all config that gets done in the home directory get done in > the /home/slitt/etc tree. This

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

* On 2017 29 Aug 08:21 -0500, Simon Hobson wrote: > Alessandro Selli wrote: > > >> I figure that over sizing the drive will help with wear leveling. > >> I'm not sure if that is a valid assumption, however. > > > > I am convinced it is. The more cells to

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

* On 2017 28 Aug 22:04 -0500, John Franklin wrote: > Unless it’s a refurb, get it. I have one in my MacBook Pro. > Lightning fast, silent, and sips power. Second best upgrade I ever > did, only behind a 960 EVO NVMe in a Thinkpad T460s. It would be new. > Don’t worry about it burning out.

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

This has been an interesting thread and has piqued my interest in getting an SSD for my Thinkpad T410. I see that Amazon is selling the Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD for $140.00 which seems to be about the best price on the Web. Examining its specs, it seems as though

Re: [DNG] /dev/ttyUSBn moving around after wake from suspend

* On 2017 17 Jul 05:15 -0500, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 07/17/2017 12:22 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > [snip] > > http://hintshop.ludvig.co.nz/show/persistent-names-usb-serial-devices/ > > Thanks. Yes, it seems I have udev. The link is helpful, I think it > probably would solve the problem.

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

* On 2017 10 Jul 20:41 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 05:34:29PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > I believe the Google slogan was "Don't be evil." "First, do no harm" is > from the English translaation of the Hippocratic Oath. Sigh. Just like A

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

* On 2017 10 Jul 14:24 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 01:53:09PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. Just because the code is GPL, > > it seems fine by him. > > Sorry, but I really don't see what RMS should do here.

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

* On 2017 10 Jul 12:45 -0500, mdn wrote: > Le 10/07/2017 19:29, zap a écrit : > > I hope linus does something about it. I Really wish stallman would take > > this seriously as a security risk. > I too but RMS just care about licensing and a bit community relations > atm (from what I can observe).

Re: [DNG] slashpackage?

* On 2017 04 Jul 19:46 -0500, Florian Zieboll wrote: > Am 4. Juli 2017 20:23:28 MESZ schrieb Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us>: > >* On 2017 04 Jul 13:17 -0500, Joel Roth wrote: > >> > >> Nix is also relevant. > > > >As is Guix. > > >

Re: [DNG] systemd allows elevated access from unit files?

* On 2017 04 Jul 18:59 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Nate Bargmann (n...@n0nb.us): > > > * On 2017 04 Jul 13:27 -0500, Evilham wrote: > > > > Well, it still doesn't read mail. > > > > Or does it? > > Well, it _does_ now include a shell interpretar

Re: [DNG] slashpackage?

* On 2017 04 Jul 13:17 -0500, Joel Roth wrote: > It's not a new idea that resources belonging to a program are more > easily managed when installed under a single directory. > GoboLinux has certainly gone into further detail.[1] > Nix is also relevant. As is Guix. I played with it for a time but

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

* On 2017 01 Jul 11:47 -0500, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 10:25:20 -0500 > Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> wrote: > > > fate accompli > > "Fate" > is very apposite in the circumstance One misspell and a person's reputation is shot forever! :

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

* On 2017 01 Jul 08:49 -0500, vmlinux wrote: > It makes more sense when you consider that systemd is a thinly veiled > excuse for an init daemon which really wants to replace every distro > out there with something red hat has more control over. Certainly, that trend has been well established.

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

* On 2017 30 Jun 00:55 -0500, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Maybe it's me, but what the hell is a DNS resolver doing inside an init > system? The same thing that a time sync (NTP) daemon is doing in there... - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Hey, hey, hey! What did my K3 do to deserve that? Oh wait, you wrote K3s. Carry on. ;-) - Nate, N0NB P.S. "W5dbus", "K3systemd". I LOL'ed! -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more:

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Not to derail this thread further, but I will say that once I became a volunteer examiner, after passing the 20 WPM exam in 1992, that watching most people struggle with the Morse exam caused me to change my mind on that issue and I supported Restructuring in 2000 and the Morse exam elimination in

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

* On 2017 20 Jun 12:48 -0500, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > I disagree. This should be a task for gnome developers, if they want to be > compatible with non-systemd systems (FreeBSD, Devuan...). If they don't, > then forget Gnome. ANY developer outside of the gnome team will ALWAYS be > behind the

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

I've read that link and a few more of his posts since a few times over the years. I've not found any fault in his reasoning yet. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more:

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

* On 2017 20 Jun 10:59 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 09:12:39AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > > A few years ago I took over maintenance of a handy application of > > interest to radio amateurs. It had been dropped from Debian due to a > > c

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

* On 2017 19 Jun 23:05 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Above, Didier expresses his personal opinion on the compellingness of > Gnome. I agree 100% with his personal opinion. > > What really amazes me is that, in this world of multiple excellent > GOSFUIs

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

I emailed a followup to 6...@bugs.devuan.org and received an acknowledgment from the BTS but the message has not appeared on the bug's Web page. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

* On 2017 05 Jun 02:07 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: > Hi Nate, > > thanks for your email. The issue is known. That string is saying you > that reportbug was unable to fetch existing relevant bugs from > bugs.devuan.org. The reason is that reportbug expects to find a SOAP > service running on

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

in novice mode. Detected character set: UTF-8 Please change your locale if this is incorrect. Using 'Nate Bargmann <n...@mattsbox.lan>' as your from address. Getting status for flashplugin-nonfree... Will send report to Devuan (per lsb_release). Querying Devuan BTS for reports on flashplugin-n

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

Congratulations! A few months ago I had concluded the project was moribund, if not almost dead. Nice way to prove me wrong. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more:

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

* On 2016 06 Nov 10:21 -0600, Rowland Penny wrote: > Why, oh why, did systemd-udevd rename eth0 to eth1 As much as I dislike SD, as other have also mentioned, it is not directly to blame in this case. This bit me long ago as well, long before SD was a gleam in LP's eye. After I

Re: [DNG] A succinct description of why I avoid systemd

* On 2016 02 Oct 11:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > In the following essay, search for the first occurrance of the word > "fragility". Then read the paragraph containing it and the one after: > > https://www.ft.com/content/b1886cac-841d-11e6-8897-2359a58ac7a5 Stuck behind a pay wall.

Re: [DNG] Firefox nightly [now] requires Pulse Audio

* On 2016 02 Oct 07:11 -0500, Jaromil wrote: > Good summary. In any case I don't think this will be a problem. Good. > BTW I use pulse-audio in Devuan (needed for Skype) without any > problems (and without systemd) Same here except I use it for various amateur radio programs. The use of

Re: [DNG] Which license for UMENU2?

* On 2016 24 Aug 10:53 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Yes. I'm now considering GPLv3-only. > > I would *never* consider GPLvAnything+, because I would never agree to > anything I haven't yet seen. I have no way of knowing who will be in > charge of the FSF in ten or twenty years, or from whom they

Re: [DNG] eudev [was: vdev]

Yup, one distribution (he signed with "Red Hat" so was presumably speaking on their behalf) being dictatorial toward the rest. I don't recall that being the foundation the Linux Community was built on when I discovered it 20 years ago. - Nate (Obsolete greybeard) ((But I don't have a beard.))

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over

I chose the second option as it does need a bit more work WRT Network Manager a few small nits. I'm confident these will be completed soon. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and

Re: [DNG] Time sync at startup (was: vdev)

* On 2016 14 Aug 13:36 -0500, richard lucassen wrote: > On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 04:18:09 -0700 > Rick Moen wrote: > > > OK, thanks for the comprehensive comparison. Oddly enough, I don't > > have my regular Linux workstation around at the moment, and cannot > > recall how I

Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end

If all of this is a concern, here is a simple mitigation strategy. This can be done by projects or individuals. First, determine the canonical (not the company) repository for the project in question. Second, clone that repository locally (dead easy with Git). Third, occasionally update the

Re: [DNG] pepperflashplugin-nonfree

* On 2016 05 Aug 06:56 -0500, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > They won't be using it much longer. Chrome and Firefox are well on > track to phase Flash out entirely over the next year or two. If only I could be so optimistic. :-) We're still receiving telecom equipment new in the box with embedded

Re: [DNG] pepperflashplugin-nonfree

* On 2016 04 Aug 09:44 -0500, richard lucassen wrote: > On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:35:18 +0200 > "info at smallinnovations.nl" wrote: > > > A quick look at debian jessie shows that it is only available for > > AMD64 maybe that is the problem? > > U > > $ uname -a >

Re: [DNG] Help with ALSA, Pulseaudio and Mumble on Devuan

* On 2016 03 Aug 09:05 -0500, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: > When you for one reason or another are stuck with pulseaudio consider > installing Pulseaudio Volume Control. Indeed. I have the built-in anaolg sound, HDMI sound, and a set of USB speakers. I use the analog sound for amateur

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

And, for anyone interested, here is the output of aptitude after the backports repository has been disabled: $ sudo aptitude install libgtkhtml-4.0-0:i386 The following NEW packages will be installed: at-spi2-core{a} glib-networking:i386{a} libaspell15:i386{ab} libatk-bridge2.0-0:i386{a}

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

Enabling the backports repository seems to be even worse as aptitude now wants to remove all sorts of things. Here is what I get: $ sudo aptitude install libgtkhtml-4.0-0:i386 The following NEW packages will be installed: at-spi2-core{a} glib-networking:i386{a} libaspell15:i386{ab}

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

* On 2016 03 Aug 03:28 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: > I currently have both amd64 and i386 in multiarch, but don't have > libgtkhtml installed, so I haven't had the opportunity to replicate > your issue. Do you have jessie-updates and Debian Jessie backports in > your sources.list? I do have

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

Anyone? Wrong list? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

[DNG] Multiarch issues

I've enabled the i386 architecture on my Jessie 1.0 Beta amd64 main desktop. All is going well except I cannot install the libgtkhtml-4.0-0:i386 package due to the following: $ sudo apt-get install libgtkhtml-4.0-0:i386 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state

Re: [DNG] Devuan Sticker Poll

* On 2016 30 Jul 08:40 -0500, hellekin wrote: > On 07/30/2016 11:14 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/uploads/30a5f6a2dbfb5124b4ba8c44a04ef334/devuan_logotype.sh.png > > > > Would look better if the encircled R wasn't there, though. > > > > I

Re: [DNG] Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd

* On 2016 30 Jul 00:12 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > Wow, I really didn't know that. And I thought I was being pessimistic > and harsh, but maybe I wasn't even harsh enough _by half_. Thanks for that. This is a long read and nearly four years old, but I don't think the situation has improved much:

Re: [DNG] Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd

* On 2016 29 Jul 17:40 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > Since then, LXDE has been (recently) pitched because the developers > realised gtk+ 3.x is terrible (something the GNOME, Unity, MATE, > Cinnamon, Unity, etc. people apparently still haven't realised) and > its replacement LXQt is a bit raw but

Re: [DNG] OT: question about mailing lists

* On 2016 27 Jul 12:03 -0500, Brian Nash wrote: > I recently replied to several threads on this list, and in many cases I > forgot to CC the actual list, so the replies only went to one person. I see you're using Mutt. The L command will initiate a reply to the list. - Nate -- "The optimist

Re: [DNG] Pulling my hair out over a udev rule

* On 2016 08 Jul 09:18 -0500, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Nate Bargmann <n...@n0nb.us> writes: > > I may have swerved into the solution: > > > > ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", KERNELS=="1-1.4:1.0", SYMLINK+="ttyUSB99" > > >

Re: [DNG] Pulling my hair out over a udev rule

I may have swerved into the solution: ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", KERNELS=="1-1.4:1.0", SYMLINK+="ttyUSB99" Time will tell if it survives a reboot... - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio,

[DNG] Pulling my hair out over a udev rule

Posting here since the ratio of intelligence is very high. :-) I'm trying to write a udev rule for a USB to serial adapter that is plugged into a given port (actually my monitor) but am having zero success. First the rule: SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ENV{ID_PATH}=="pci-:00:14.0-usb-0:1.4:1.0-port0",

Re: [DNG] I'm on the list

Full agreement, Steve. As I use Mutt, the L command ensures replies are sent only to the list, just like this one. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

Re: [DNG] man init

* On 2016 04 Jun 04:52 -0500, Jaromil wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jun 2016, Joel Roth wrote: > > > My system is devuan/jessie, upgraded from debian. > > > > It's interesting that 'man init' brings up the > > systemd man page. > > strange! I don't have that on my laptop (installed from devuan >

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

* On 2016 03 May 16:38 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > "Pen testing" My Aunt's Hat! I thought it was trying different Linux distributions from a USB pen. Shrug. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio,

Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

BTW, I've already read the other followups and you have a legitimate question, Hendrik. Here is my 2 cents and why I'm using NM. * On 2016 01 May 18:58 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I use wicd instead of Network Manager, in devan jessie. I don't know > if it will talk to your phone over USB,

Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

* On 2016 01 May 15:23 -0500, Daniel Reurich wrote: > Yes it is on my personal todo list. It is the only way to have nicely > integrated vpn connection also. I need this before migrating my wheezy > workstation to Devuan Jessie. So it is urgently needed. Do let me know how I may help, Daniel.

[DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

Hi All. I've completed the upgrade to Devuan Jessie Beta over Debian Jessie on both my laptop and desktop. Nice work! I use Network Manager on my laptop. It is configured for the networks I attach to most frequently and allows a seamless connection when tethering to my Android phone via USB.

Re: [DNG] Open Letter To Linas Vepstas

* On 2016 01 May 05:04 -0500, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 30/04/2016 23:07, Nate Bargmann a écrit : > > For how long haven't we been reading about and watching various > >videos from FOSS conferences only to realize they're often using the most > >proprietary hardware and softwa

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