Adam Borowski [2017-07-23 12:57]:
>> > I run 32-bit Devuan on one Core2 machine. Why? I can't get Xerox'
>> > proprietary printer driver for their Phaser 6010N color laser to work on
>> > 64-bit. Several receipes on how to do this, none of them work.
> Printer drivers work in userspace, not in ke
On 23.07.2017 15:16, Florian Zieboll wrote:
| The production of a laptop consumes so much energy that for energetic
| reasons it is never worthwhile to exchange an old, still functional
| device for a new, more energy-efficient device.
Funny, as these are exactly the guys who want us to replac
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:35:28 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> I may need to borrow it.
Feel free ;)
___
Dng mailing list
Dng@lists.dyne.org
https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Quoting Florian Zieboll (f.zieb...@web.de):
> Hallo Rick,
>
> this may be true from the consumer's point of view, but apparently, the
> energy needed to produce a new computer can exceed its lifetime savings
> by far. Quote from the German "Umweltbundesamt" (environmental agency):
This is certai
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 16:44:40 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> Current parts you get from electronish rubbish are some i5 models, or Core
> Duo if your rubbish pool is that old.
Remember, I live in Darkest Paraguay, our technorubbish is not all that
advanced...
Cheers,
Ron.
--
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 00:32:11 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> And, by the way, Steve Litt's scenario of Linux expansion in various
> Third World countries using scrounged P4 machines is also cheering,
> except for the bit about paying for the rather high amount of
> electricity they draw, which makes th
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 10:10:29AM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:57:55 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > Restoring old gear is an expensive hobby. Poor kids in Africa can't afford
> > that.
>
> Putting together working gear by assembling disparate parts you get from
> el
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:57:55 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> Restoring old gear is an expensive hobby. Poor kids in Africa can't afford
> that.
Putting together working gear by assembling disparate parts you get from
electronic rubbish is free.
I did it for a time for a school here in Paraguay,
Sometimes it is a pity having to throw away still working but old
hardware. I have two Pentium 4 procecessors one with a functional
motherboard that I do not use anymore. The reasons for abandoning them
are speed and electricity consumption. Today's Internet requires
faster computers to be used pro
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:57:55 +0200, Adam wrote in message
<20170723115755.sl7bqpxy6yuqy...@angband.pl>:
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 01:37:04AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 01:12:52 +0200
> > Dragan FOSS wrote:
> >
> > Average yearly income per-capita in Sub-Saharan Africa is $
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 at 13:16:01 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 09:02:08AM +0200, Juergen Moebius wrote:
>> Hi, this is nothing!
>>
>> processor: 0
>> vendor_id: GenuineIntel
>> cpu family : 5
>> model: 4
>> model name : Pentium MMX
>> stepping
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 01:37:04AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 01:12:52 +0200
> Dragan FOSS wrote:
>
> Average yearly income per-capita in Sub-Saharan Africa is $2,041.00 per
> year:
>
> If somebody in Africa manages to cannibalize a few Pentiums, mix and
> match parts to prod
Rick Moen writes:
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
All those users are being left without any other choice than throwing
their hw away by many distributions, without a concrete motivation
(well, except the usual "it's old so it must be thrown away", which is
as popular as lame these days.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 09:02:08AM +0200, Juergen Moebius wrote:
> Hi, this is nothing!
>
> processor : 0
> vendor_id : GenuineIntel
> cpu family: 5
> model : 4
> model name: Pentium MMX
> stepping : 3
> cpu MHz : 165.792
>
> processor : 0
> vendor_i
On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 11:56:58AM +0200, Harald Arnesen wrote:
> Adam Borowski [2017-07-23 00:01]:
> > If the machine has >2GB ram, running a 32-bit kernel should be a crime.
>
> I run 32-bit Devuan on one Core2 machine. Why? I can't get Xerox'
> proprietary printer driver for their Phaser 6010N
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:03:32 -0700
Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Guess in that case we should point that out also to the people who
> still own and use historic cars from the last century for example.
I still use when travelling (Email and Web browsing) a 2008 vintage EeePC, an
the firewall for the ho
Adam Borowski [2017-07-23 00:01]:
> What I'm talking about is running i386 on 64-bit-capable CPUs. You can
> check that by ｢grep '^flags.*\bnx\b' /proc/cpuinfo｣ or checking the op-mode
> field in what lscpu says.
>
> There's a long list of reasons why that's a bad idea, especially when kernel
>
I think this is getting ridiculous. How did we get from XY was compiled
for one architecture by someone who made XY available in his own repo to
we should drop support for [random but common other architecture] for
all of devuan?
Devuan offers a sane alternative to debian without systemd, it is wh
On Sunday, 23-07-2017 um 09:55 Alessandro Selli wrote:
> Do you really still use fax-machines in Germany? I thought in Europe only
> Italians and Greeks were.
In Germany many companies use fax even today. Especially craftsmen and
property managers used fax for simple and fast communication.
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 at 09:55:32 +0200
Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> They are over 20 years old and runs without Problems :-)
>
> And make the local retrocomputing club proud of their
> accomplishments! :-)
However, a real accomplishment would be running a current, LTS distro on
them. ;-)
On Sunday, 23-07-2017 um 09:32 Rick Moen wrote:
> I commend this. At the same time, you would not use either of those for
> a new deployment of any kind, would you? Certainly, you would not
> expect any DE to run on them, let alone a modern DE Devuan is likely to
> fully support in the foreseeab
On Sun, 23 Jul at 2017 07:46:52 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
[...]
> And there are a whole bunch of SBC things which still use x86
> processors.
Right, you can still buy *new* hardware based on x86 CPUs:
http://www.compactpc.com.tw/product.aspx?act=detail&id=351
Alessandro
___
Il giorno Sun, 23 Jul 2017 09:02:08 +0200
Juergen Moebius ha scritto:
> Hi, this is nothing!
Well, you surely beat my oldies, I must admit!
> actually in german city "Leipzig" this two machines runs in an MusicShop:
>
> 1. a little Faxmachine, running Slackware 8.1:
Do you really still use
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 at 22:06:30 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
[...]
> And, if you bought your
> unit around 2007, you _could_ instead have bought x86_64 as
> future-proofing.
I bought that PC second-hand (actually, assembled from mostly rummage
parts).
> On the matter that Adam mentioned about pow
Quoting Juergen Moebius (moeb...@a-k-computer.de):
[snip some details of some fine old machines]
> They are over 20 years old and runs without Problems :-)
I commend this. At the same time, you would not use either of those for
a new deployment of any kind, would you? Certainly, you would not
Hi, this is nothing!
On Sunday, den 23-07-2017 at 02:05PM Alessandro Selli wrot:
> On 23/07/2017 at 00:51, Rick Moen wrote:
> lscpu
> Architecture:i686
> CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit
> Byte Order: Little Endian
> CPU(s): 2
> On-line CPU(s) list: 0,1
> Thread(s) per co
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 11:29:36PM +0100, Vincent Bentley wrote:
> Intel are not the only x86 cpu manufacturer.
>
> I use a lot of VIA Eden equipped devices (thin-clients) 32-bit, 1+ GHz,
> 1GB RAM usually. They run fine on 12v batteries charged by solar, have
> no problems being mounted in vehicl
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 01:12:52 +0200
Dragan FOSS wrote:
> On 07/23/2017 12:57 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > And, as this thread goes, you're not going to run a bloated DE on
> > such an underpowered machine, are you?
>
> Traditional Amish buggy is undoubtedly efficient and usable
> transportatio
Quoting Gregory Nowak (g...@gregn.net):
> Guess in that case we should point that out also to the people who
> still own and use historic cars from the last century for example.
The people who still own and use historic cars do so in the knowledge
that, over time, it tends to be an expensive hobb
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> lscpu
[...]
> Model name: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz
[...]
> dmidecode --string bios-release-date
> 12/21/2007
Thank you for that, Allesandro. Wikipedia's article on the Pentium 4
says this stepping was the _final_ Pentium 4
On 22/07/17 05:26 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:50:19AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
you might probably want to have a look at:
http://popcon.devuan.org/
Whatever the statistical significance of those data, it seems that
between 15% and 20% of Devuan installations are on i38
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 03:51:54PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> > All those users are being left without any other choice than throwing
> > their hw away by many distributions, without a concrete motivation
> > (well, except the usual "it's old so it must be t
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> Then this looks like a problem that needs to be looked at. There's no way
> that many people use gear from ≤ 2004 (or a brief throwback of early Atoms
> from 2008).
For the record, I have two i386 boxes here from 2002, and they stil
On 23/07/2017 at 00:51, Rick Moen wrote:
[...]
> to the
> best of my recollection everyone moved to a x86_64 flavour around
> 2003-ish (or exited the market). So, I estimate that these computers
> are at least 14 years old.
lscpu
Architecture:i686
CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit
Byte Order:
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 03:51:54PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
>
> > Strange as it may sound to you, yes, there are still many users who
> > are using i386 hw, and the only reasonable way for them to continue
> > use those hw is by having Linux.
>
> While I'm
On 07/23/2017 12:57 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
And, as this thread goes, you're not going to run a bloated DE on such an
underpowered machine, are you?
Traditional Amish buggy is undoubtedly efficient and usable
transportation...for some people ;>
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 11:29:36PM +0100, Vincent Bentley wrote:
> Intel are not the only x86 cpu manufacturer.
>
> I use a lot of VIA Eden equipped devices (thin-clients) 32-bit, 1+ GHz,
> 1GB RAM usually. They run fine on 12v batteries charged by solar, have
> no problems being mounted in vehicl
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> Strange as it may sound to you, yes, there are still many users who
> are using i386 hw, and the only reasonable way for them to continue
> use those hw is by having Linux.
While I'm sure this is true for some number of people, aren't these now
incredibly
Intel are not the only x86 cpu manufacturer.
I use a lot of VIA Eden equipped devices (thin-clients) 32-bit, 1+ GHz,
1GB RAM usually. They run fine on 12v batteries charged by solar, have
no problems being mounted in vehicles (land or marine) and are fully
featured with IDE/SATA and network boot R
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 11:26:56PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
[cut]
> > Whatever the statistical significance of those data, it seems that
> > between 15% and 20% of Devuan installations are on i386. So apparently
> > there is no reason at all to drop it, rather the opposite.
>
> Then this look
Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no):
> Juergen Moebius writes:
> >No, not only Devuan. You forgot the great "Slackware",
> >the mother of Linux distributions.
>
> If we're going to go into ancient history — Slackware was
> (simplifying) a fork of SLS, but SLS wasn't the first eith
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 05:39:44PM -0400, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 23:26:56 +0200
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > Then this looks like a problem that needs to be looked at. There's no way
> > that many people use gear from ≤ 2004 (or a brief throwback of early Atoms
> > from 2008
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 23:26:56 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> Then this looks like a problem that needs to be looked at. There's no way
> that many people use gear from ≤ 2004 (or a brief throwback of early Atoms
> from 2008).
Dont we have stats on how many download the 386 version, against how man
On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 06:50:19AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> you might probably want to have a look at:
>
> http://popcon.devuan.org/
>
> Whatever the statistical significance of those data, it seems that
> between 15% and 20% of Devuan installations are on i386. So apparently
> there is no reas
Juergen Moebius writes:
No, not only Devuan. You forgot the great "Slackware",
the mother of Linux distributions.
If we're going to go into ancient history — Slackware was (simplifying) a
fork of SLS, but SLS wasn't the first either. Either ABC or H. J. Lu's
nameless microdistribution might b
On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 22:17:09 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message
<20170722021709.ga8...@topoi.pooq.com>:
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 08:14:43PM -0500, John Morris wrote:
> > On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 16:25 -0500, Don Wright wrote:
> > > Dragan FOSS wrote:
> > > >I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 08:14:43PM -0500, John Morris wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 16:25 -0500, Don Wright wrote:
> > Dragan FOSS wrote:
> > >I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at all... it's such a waste of
> > >time and resources.
> >
> >
> > As long as you're pruning, kill x64 as well
Am Saturday, 22-07-2017 at 03:14PM John Morris wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 16:25 -0500, Don Wright wrote:
> 1. Linux / GNU / X, this is the fork Devuan
No, not only Devuan. You forgot the great "Slackware",
the mother of Linux distributions. It's number one for me!
Unfortunately Slackware
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 08:14:43PM -0500, John Morris wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 16:25 -0500, Don Wright wrote:
> > Dragan FOSS wrote:
> > >I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at all... it's such a waste of
> > >time and resources.
> >
> >
> > As long as you're pruning, kill x64 as well
On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 16:25 -0500, Don Wright wrote:
> Dragan FOSS wrote:
> >I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at all... it's such a waste of
> >time and resources.
>
>
> As long as you're pruning, kill x64 as well, because the majority of
> computers sold are using ARM architecture and r
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 04:25:55PM -0500, Don Wright wrote:
> Dragan FOSS wrote:
> >I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at all... it's such a waste of
> >time and resources.
>
> As long as you're pruning, kill x64 as well, because the majority of
> computers sold are using ARM architecture a
Oh, and then there's *this* as a reason for supporting arm:
https://notabug.org/libreboot/libreboot/issues/264
apparently someone is trying to reverse engineer arm without lima...
which could be very advantageous to devuan and other free software
distros...
On 07/21/2017 05:25 PM, Don Wright wr
Dragan FOSS wrote:
>I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at all... it's such a waste of
>time and resources.
As long as you're pruning, kill x64 as well, because the majority of
computers sold are using ARM architecture and run Android or iOS.
___
On 07/21/2017 09:02 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
Cinnamon 3.0.x (only amd64)
I think it's best to drop 32-bit support at all... it's such a waste of
time and resources.
___
Dng mailing list
Dng@lists.dyne.org
https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/ma
- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE
On 2017-07-21 13:30, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
- Original Message - From:
To:
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] [Desktop
On 2017-07-21 13:30, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
- Original Message - From:
To:
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE
On 2017-07-21 12:57, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
- Original Message - From: Antonio Volpicelli
- Original Message -
From:
To:
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE
On 2017-07-21 12:57, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
- Original Message - From: Antonio Volpicelli
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017
On 2017-07-21 12:57, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
- Original Message - From: Antonio Volpicelli
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 7:21 AM
Subject: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE
hi to all,
I have build Cinnamon 3.0 for Jessie and MATE-1.18 for Ascii,
If
- Original Message -
From: Antonio Volpicelli
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 7:21 AM
Subject: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE
hi to all,
I have build Cinnamon 3.0 for Jessie and MATE-1.18 for Ascii,
If anyone wants to try them just install from the
hi to all,
I have build Cinnamon 3.0 for Jessie and MATE-1.18 for Ascii, If anyone wants
to try them just install from the usual external repo.
If there is something wrong, send me an email/comment on my blog/explain the
problem on irc channel (#devuan or #devuan-dev).
Remember this packages
60 matches
Mail list logo
