Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-27 Thread Thorsten Glaser
miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr writes: On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:06:29AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: What does the Mir prefix contribute the the meaning? What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck? The “Mir” præfix means it comes from me / The MirOS Project. “WTF” has

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-24 Thread Jaromil
On 24 July 2015 05:26:00 CEST, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: I do not understand this entire thread. yep. this is sort of going bonkers. [... Isaac's detailed explanation ...] Does

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-24 Thread miro . rovis
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:11:57AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: On 24 July 2015 05:26:00 CEST, Isaac Dunham ibid...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: I do not understand this entire thread. yep. this is

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-24 Thread Jaromil
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: I can see that, now, Jaromil, you basically seem to be inclined to allow in Devuan pretty much just what I tried to get available in it (not just for me, but for others who will want to go that way). yes Miroslav - and vdev is one of

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Teodoro Santoni
Good evening, On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:44:32PM -0700, James Powell wrote: So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement Userspace IPC handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems and UNIX? If we rip out D-Bus what do we use in it's place that is drop in compatible?

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread James Powell
: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF? On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:06:29AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: I do not understand this entire thread. I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be. What does the Mir prefix contribute the the meaning? What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean what

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 23/07/2015 22:44, James Powell a écrit : So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement Userspace IPC handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems and UNIX? If we rip out D-Bus what do we use in it's place that is drop in compatible? You're talking about tearing

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: I do not understand this entire thread. I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be. What does the Mir prefi contribute the the eaning? What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck? yep. this is sort of going bonkers. me and other

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: I do not understand this entire thread. I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be. What does the Mir prefi contribute the the meaning? What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:12:01AM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote: ... but, yeah, it's outside the scope of Devuan. D-Bus just sucks and is documented on a random basis, when you compare it to the rest of GNU/Fedora it's... like GTK: it sucks, there are alternatives but it's a PITA to port

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:58:28PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 23/07/2015 10:36, T.J. Duchene a écrit : Like you I would like to get rid of Dbus. This was invented to replace the own equivalents of Gnome and KDE, and I need neither Gnome nor KDE. But Dbus seems to have infected every

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 01:53:15AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: I do not understand this entire thread. I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be. What does the Mir prefi contribute the the eaning? What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:44:32 -0700 James Powell james4...@hotmail.com wrote: So exactly what do we use in place of D-Bus as a replacement Userspace IPC handler and protocol that is Generic to POSIX systems and UNIX? Nothing. I've never felt the functionality to be especially valuable. I guess

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread miro . rovis
--- I sent this message four hours ago, but didn't include the list address. Sorry! --- On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:49:34PM -0700, James Powell wrote: ( shouldn't it be like below?, by the netiqette --see KalolaZ just arrived letter in the Multi-seat thread-- ? ) Since you would still like it

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
I do not understand this entire thread. I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be. What does the Mir prefi contribute the the eaning? What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread miro . rovis
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:06:29AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: I do not understand this entire thread. I have not a clue what a MirDevuan WTF would be. What does the Mir prefix contribute the the meaning? What does WTF mean in thei context. I mean what the fuck? -- hendrik (corrected

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Michael Bütow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/07/15 07:49, James Powell wrote: Devuan's main purpose is getting rid of systemd as a hard dependency and allowing user choice in init software Well said, thank you, I very much agree with your entire post and would prefer if there was

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 22/07/2015 20:51, Steve Litt a écrit : On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:03:03 +0200 miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus. Vdev does not use dbus. No idea how or why you came to

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 7/23/2015 12:49 AM, James Powell wrote: First off cool your jets, and trying call me out on knowing the internals of an IPC in Userspace I didn't develop is very childish. I honestly don't care if D-Bus what it does other than be a communication and messaging relay between applications

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 23/07/2015 10:36, T.J. Duchene wrote: I do not understand this animosity toward D-BUS. Could you please explain why it is such a point of contention? It is a only a protocol, with many different implementations. It is comfortably very generic and used on other UNIXs. Simple: it has a

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 7/23/2015 5:16 AM, Laurent Bercot wrote: I agree that it's a fight for another time, though. TY! The information was very simple and very helpful. It's a design flaw that annoys everyone so. This is quite understandable. It has been my experience that a lot of code - FOSS or not -

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-23 Thread T.J. Duchene
Like you I would like to get rid of Dbus. This was invented to replace the own equivalents of Gnome and KDE, and I need neither Gnome nor KDE. But Dbus seems to have infected every other DE. At least Xfce4. Didier I do not understand this animosity toward D-BUS. Could you

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-22 Thread Jude Nelson
If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus. Vdev does not use dbus. No idea how or why you came to this conclusion. Search the code if you don't believe me. -Jude ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-22 Thread miro . rovis
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus. Vdev does not use dbus. No idea how or why you came to this conclusion. Search the code if you don't believe me. -Jude I believe you. You never appeared

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:03:03 +0200 miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus. Vdev does not use dbus. No idea how or why you came to this conclusion. Search the

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-22 Thread miro . rovis
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 02:51:59PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:03:03 +0200 miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: If I was able to understand correctly, vdev works with dbus. Vdev does not

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-22 Thread James Powell
. From: miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hrmailto:miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr Sent: ‎7/‎22/‎2015 9:43 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.orgmailto:dng@lists.dyne.org Cc: James Powellmailto:james4...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF? On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:28:28PM -0700

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-22 Thread miro . rovis
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:28:28PM -0700, James Powell wrote: D-Bus isn't great, but currently it is still a cross-UNIX IPC in userspace. BSD uses it, Illumos uses it, and so does GNU/Linux. Since you would still like it around, in opportunistic or in some other way that I should call it, I

Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF?

2015-07-22 Thread James Powell
...@croatiafidelis.hr Sent: ‎7/‎22/‎2015 12:23 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.orgmailto:dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan WTF? On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 02:51:59PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:03:03 +0200 miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM