Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread Todd Glassey
Joe Abley wrote: On 21-Aug-2009, at 10:08, W.C.A. Wijngaards wrote: Is available for review and comment. This represents my take on how to perform trust-anchor management for a validator without having a system update mechanism (which works with unsafe DNS). I don't remember whether I've ex

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25-Aug-2009, at 10:53, Todd Glassey wrote: Joe - the question becomes one of the integrity of the records process Yes, that's my point. That said there are all kinds of PKI Operations Practice reasons including "its part of our policy to roll keys periodically" If there's no practical

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread Todd Glassey
Joe Abley wrote: On 25-Aug-2009, at 10:53, Todd Glassey wrote: Joe - the question becomes one of the integrity of the records process Yes, that's my point. But your point is as a Systems Administrator rather than a Systems Auditor - the reasons for rolling the keys periodically pertain to

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25-Aug-2009, at 12:48, Todd Glassey wrote: If there *is* a practical motivation to roll keys, then let's not infer any trust at all from old keys. I agree that if a KEY is rolled it needs to have its application as a reliable TRUST ANCHOR revoked or terminated for events moving forward

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread bmanning
> > If there's no practical motivation to roll keys, then let's not do it. > Rolling keys is a pain. > > If there *is* a practical motivation to roll keys, then let's not > infer any trust at all from old keys. > > Joe please help me understand "practical motivation"? --bill _

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25-Aug-2009, at 13:13, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: If there's no practical motivation to roll keys, then let's not do it. Rolling keys is a pain. If there *is* a practical motivation to roll keys, then let's not infer any trust at all from old keys. please help me under

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 01:37:32PM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 25-Aug-2009, at 13:13, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > > >>If there's no practical motivation to roll keys, then let's not do > >>it. > >>Rolling keys is a pain. > >> > >>If there *is* a practical motivation to roll keys,

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25-Aug-2009, at 13:51, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: the phrase, "practical motivation" is highly subjective. I agree, but I think that's ok. hence the highly subjective nature of practical motivation. who decides? that mouse in your pocket? The person w

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread Todd Glassey
Joe Abley wrote: On 25-Aug-2009, at 12:48, Todd Glassey wrote: If there *is* a practical motivation to roll keys, then let's not infer any trust at all from old keys. I agree that if a KEY is rolled it needs to have its application as a reliable TRUST ANCHOR revoked or terminated for events m

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25-Aug-2009, at 15:13, Todd Glassey wrote: Joe Abley wrote: This is all very interesting speculation, but I'm not sure I understand how the use of old keys for forensic purposes relates to the problem of trying to establish a new trust anchor after a period of disconnection. Joe

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread Todd Glassey
Joe Abley wrote: On 25-Aug-2009, at 15:13, Todd Glassey wrote: Joe Abley wrote: This is all very interesting speculation, but I'm not sure I understand how the use of old keys for forensic purposes relates to the problem of trying to establish a new trust anchor after a period of discon

Re: [DNSOP] measuring TCP query performance

2009-08-25 Thread David Conrad
[redirected to DNSOP] Michael, On Aug 25, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Michael Graff wrote: All I'm saying is that I don't want someone to benchmark current DNS implementations (which are likely optimized only for UDP) and then use this as proof that the sky is falling. What would you prefer us benchmar

Re: [DNSOP] new version: trust-history-02 draft

2009-08-25 Thread Thierry Moreau
Joe Abley wrote: On 21-Aug-2009, at 10:08, W.C.A. Wijngaards wrote: Is available for review and comment. This represents my take on how to perform trust-anchor management for a validator without having a system update mechanism (which works with unsafe DNS). I don't remember whether I've exp

Re: [DNSOP] measuring TCP query performance

2009-08-25 Thread Paul Vixie
> From: David Conrad > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:45:58 -0700 > > Since time is quite short for folks to upgrade their servers and given > some root server operators are financially / operationally / politically > constrained in how they would go about doing the upgrade, it seems to me > that curr

Re: [DNSOP] measuring TCP query performance

2009-08-25 Thread Andrew Sullivan
No hat. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 04:11:26AM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > since time is short, i would prefer a server-side change, supported by a > spec change (which means this would head back to namedroppers@) whereby > (bufsize<1220 && DO=1) would be treated as (DO=0). Of course, some have argu

Re: [DNSOP] measuring TCP query performance

2009-08-25 Thread Florian Weimer
* Paul Vixie: > since time is short, i would prefer a server-side change, supported by a > spec change (which means this would head back to namedroppers@) whereby > (bufsize<1220 && DO=1) would be treated as (DO=0). And what does the resolver with a trust anchor do with the DO=0 answer? Requery