Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Jacques Latour
I think the one big drawback for me is the loss visibility and control for the root operators. As an example, DITL, what value will that have if only subset of queries make it to root servers? Will DNS-OARC have to collect logs from all these loopback authoritative slave recursive? -1 for

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Doug Barton
The question at the end of this post was a serious one, FWIW. On 11/17/14 3:39 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 11/17/14 2:50 PM, Evan Hunt wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:16:22PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: That seems like something that should be fixable in BIND, yes? (And thanks for doing that

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Bob Harold
I agree: the validate everything knob seems like a win/win. I would also like the option of verifying a DNSSEC domain when I do a zone transfer, because that might be more efficient. -- Bob Harold University of Michigan On 11/17/14 3:39 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 11/17/14 2:50 PM, Evan Hunt

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: The question at the end of this post was a serious one, FWIW. If I understand it correctly, the question is a feature request for BIND/NSD/whatnot, not an issue with the draft, correct? That is, I think you are asking for your

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 11/20/14 9:34 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: The question at the end of this post was a serious one, FWIW. If I understand it correctly, the question is a feature request for BIND/NSD/whatnot, not an issue with the draft,

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Bob Harold
I can see where validate on zone transfer would be a feature request. And validate everything similarly. For the draft, could a small paragraph be added explaining the difference between using a separate view for the root zone and just loading it in the same view, so that people like me realize

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Nov 20, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Bob Harold rharo...@umich.edu wrote: I can see where validate on zone transfer would be a feature request. And validate everything similarly. For the draft, could a small paragraph be added explaining the difference between using a separate view for the root

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread David Conrad
Jacques, On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:11 AM, Jacques Latour jacques.lat...@cira.ca wrote: I think the one big drawback for me is the loss visibility and control for the root operators. Lack of comprehensive statistics would indeed be an issue (I'm not going to comment on the control bit of your

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Bob Harold
Thanks Paul, I use BIND, but am not an expert. Based on the discussion I will suggest some words and the experts can correct me: Note: By using a separate view, the recursive view will do DNSSEC validation on the responses it receives from the root view, which is necessary for security. It

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Doug Barton
What about something like this: When using BIND, or other software that can act as both a recursive and authoritative server in the same instance, there is a tradeoff between using a separate view (or separate instance) for slaving the root zone, versus slaving the zone into the same view (or

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Evan Hunt
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:13:42AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: Slaving the zone into the same view/instance as the recursion has the advantage that when changes happen to the data in the zone the recursive view/instance will be updated as soon as it receives its copy of the zone. When using a

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption draft-wkumari-dnsop-root-loopback

2014-11-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 11/20/14 11:27 AM, Evan Hunt wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:13:42AM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: Slaving the zone into the same view/instance as the recursion has the advantage that when changes happen to the data in the zone the recursive view/instance will be updated as soon as it receives