Re: [DNSOP] Updated: Compact Denial of Existence

2023-03-07 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 3/7/23 01:26, Mark Andrews wrote: 2.) As for the "NXNAME" rrtype, I'd like to propose using rrtype 0 (the NULL type). So far it only has meaning for "type covered" fields in signature records such as SIG(0) (RFC 2931). There appears to be no collision with usage in the NSEC type bitmap, an

[DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld next steps

2023-03-07 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Hi, I wanted to thank the WG, chairs, and authors, for their work and patience with me on the alt-tld draft and to let the WG know of the next steps. Warren and Paul have posted an updated -22 version that addresses my AD review comments, and hence I will start a 4-week IETF LC on this version

Re: [DNSOP] Updated: Compact Denial of Existence

2023-03-07 Thread paul=40redbarn . org
<> Raises hand. I object to any weakening of the nxdomain signal, which must continue to be district from nodata. p vixie On Mar 7, 2023 02:16, Peter Thomassen wrote: On 3/7/23 01:26, Mark Andrews wrote: >> 2.) As for the "NXNAME" rrtype, I'd like to propose using rrtype 0 (the NULL

Re: [DNSOP] Updated: Compact Denial of Existence

2023-03-07 Thread John Levine
It appears that Peter Thomassen said: >It seems that this perspective is generally shared, as nobody seems to have a >fundamental problem with changing the semantics >of NODATA and essentially abandoning NXDOMAIN (for "do" queries). The reason nobody's arguing is that we resolved that issue se

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld next steps

2023-03-07 Thread David Conrad
Rob, 4 weeks for ICANN (which? Organization, Board, Community, all 3?) to provide feedback? (That feels sort of like the ITU asking "the IETF" for feedback on an IP-related protocol document in 4 weeks.) As I’m sure both Harald and Warren can attest, ICANN processes, particularly those for wh

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld next steps

2023-03-07 Thread George Michaelson
I agree. I would be amazed if a 6 month feedback window was sufficient to get this through the formalisms. -G On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 7:02 AM David Conrad wrote: > > Rob, > > 4 weeks for ICANN (which? Organization, Board, Community, all 3?) to provide > feedback? (That feels sort of like the IT

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld next steps

2023-03-07 Thread Joe Abley
On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 15:56, David Conrad wrote: > 4 weeks for ICANN (which? Organization, Board, Community, all 3?) to provide > feedback? (That feels sort of like the ITU asking "the IETF" for feedback on > an IP-related protocol document in 4 weeks.) Did the IETF (also which?) provide feed

Re: [DNSOP] Updated: Compact Denial of Existence

2023-03-07 Thread Evan Hunt
On Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 11:15:55AM +0100, Peter Thomassen wrote: > Oops, touché! I stand corrected. Thanks, Mark. > > What I meant is rrtype 0. I used the wrong mnemonic.* IMHO, you're almost definitely correct that NULL (type 10) would be safe to use for this. Type 0, thought, would not - it's u

Re: [DNSOP] Updated: Compact Denial of Existence

2023-03-07 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 8 Mar 2023, at 11:16, Evan Hunt wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 11:15:55AM +0100, Peter Thomassen wrote: >> Oops, touché! I stand corrected. Thanks, Mark. >> >> What I meant is rrtype 0. I used the wrong mnemonic.* > > IMHO, you're almost definitely correct that NULL (type 10) would b

Re: [DNSOP] Updated: Compact Denial of Existence

2023-03-07 Thread Shumon Huque
On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 7:34 PM Mark Andrews wrote: > > > On 8 Mar 2023, at 11:16, Evan Hunt wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 07, 2023 at 11:15:55AM +0100, Peter Thomassen wrote: > >> Oops, touché! I stand corrected. Thanks, Mark. > >> > >> What I meant is rrtype 0. I used the wrong mnemonic.* > > > >

Re: [DNSOP] Updated: Compact Denial of Existence

2023-03-07 Thread Shumon Huque
On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 5:13 PM John Levine wrote: > It seems like a poor economy. If you really are worried about making the > bitmap smaller, I suppose there's unused type 54. Without advocating for that, I wanted to explore this a bit. Does anyone know why it is unassigned? Is there any hist

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld next steps

2023-03-07 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Mar 7, 2023, at 3:48 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 15:56, David Conrad wrote: >> 4 weeks for ICANN (which? Organization, Board, Community, all 3?) to provide >> feedback? (That feels sort of like the ITU asking "the IETF" for feedback on >> an IP-related protocol document

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld next steps

2023-03-07 Thread Joe Abley
On Mar 7, 2023, at 20:56, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Mar 7, 2023, at 3:48 PM, Joe Abley wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 15:56, David Conrad wrote: >>> 4 weeks for ICANN (which? Organization, Board, Community, all 3?) to >>> provide feedback? (That feels sort of like the ITU asking "the IETF"

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld next steps

2023-03-07 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Mar 7, 2023, at 6:03 PM, Joe Abley wrote: >>> Perhaps it would be useful for someone to decide whether these ships are >>> intentionally passing in the night or whether more attention to navigation >>> is required. >> >> 1) The leadership of both were well aware of what the other was doing.