On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:25:27 -0500, Eddy Swynar wrote:
>
>It's obvious that proponents of utilizing cooling fans for their Drake
>transmitters are on to something, alright---but the benefits are NOT
>restricted merely to prolonged tube life: PTO drift is reduced by one third,
>as well.
This,
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From: "john"
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:30 PM
To: "Robert Fish" ;
Subject: Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE (Almost
I'll second that... it's epics like these that make this and other lists
worth riding along with.
Thanks for taking the time, and thanks for the info. I always knew fans
were a good idea :-)
John K5MO
At 01:47 PM 11/29/2011, Robert Fish wrote:
" This has all been a most interesting exercis
" This has all been a most interesting exercise, nonetheless---I only
hope that my ramblings herein have NOT inspired readers to unsubscribe
from the list..! "
On the contrary, Eddy. I find this stuff fascinating. The most
productive learning environments always have people who say things like
Eddy -
Great info. Actually this confirms what I would expect to happen. What you do with the fan is
provide a constant temperature, whatever it is, much better for short-term stability.
The other oscillators involved in the output frequency are the Carrier Oscillator and the Band
Oscillato
Hi Again All,
At the specific suggestion of Garey, I went ahead & completed a 3rd stability
test on my Drake T-4X transmitter PTO...
I essentially repeated everything that I did in the very first test, i.e. I
used the ICOM 751A as an umpire, both it and the T-4X were started at the same
time (
st@zerobeat.net
Subject: Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE
*/Hi Curt,/*
A sort of an elaborate
".../temperature-compensating-oscillator-heterodyning/" scheme...! Hi Hi
We could call it "*/The Rube Golberg/*" method of frequency stabilization! * :
>
st@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability: EPILOGUE Hi Curt,
A sort of an elaborate "...temperature-compensating-oscillator-heterodyning" scheme...! Hi Hi
We could call it "The Rube Golberg" method of frequency stabilization!
Hi Curt,
A sort of an elaborate "...temperature-compensating-oscillator-heterodyning"
scheme...! Hi Hi
We could call it "The Rube Golberg" method of frequency stabilization!: >)
~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ
Hi Garey,
An EXCELLENT idea...!
I'm doing exactly that, even as I type this...
Stay tuned!
~73~ de Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ
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On 2011-11-29, at 9:26 AM, Garey Barrell wrote:
> Hi Eddy -
>
> Would you be up for one more t
Hi Eddy:
Excellent! Now, you might also learn something worthwhile by doing the
same test, but measuring the drift of actual output after mixing at say
7 or 14Mhz. If the crystal Osc goes the other direction, it might get
somewhat better...then again if it goes the other way...well...! :)
Hi Eddy -
Would you be up for one more test run??
I wonder what would happen WITHOUT the fan. Certainly the interior would warm up faster. A
trade-off would 'perhaps' be a larger delta t from transmit to receive. Especially without an
ambient air of 59F constantly being pulled through the c
Nice work Eddy.
I do my tests a little differently, I look at "overall" stability by zero
beating WWV.
Regardless, my early T-4X (5KHz markings) is also just about 1.2KHz.
But my slightly newer R-4A (13 tube, but 25KHz markings and vernier Preselector)
is worse at just about 1.5KHz.
IIRC, ther
Hi All,
Well, this morning I essentially duplicated my previous stability tests with
the Drake T-4X here, only with a minor change: as was suggested to me earlier,
this time I let the "umpire" rig---my ICOM 751A transceiver---warm-up, alone,
for a full hour...
Before getting to the results, I
of
> another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
> -Ayn Rand.
>
> All my computers have my signature with various pearls of wisdom appended
> thereto.
>
> From: Eddy Swynar
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:13 AM
> To: captc...@flash.net
> Cc: drakelist@
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From: Eddy Swynar
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:13 AM
To: captc...@flash.net
Cc: drakelist@zerobeat.net
Subject: Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability
Hi Curt,
Wow...!
What I really wanted to do here, prim
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To:
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability
Curt -
Excellent point. I missed the &#
"Garey Barrell"
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 5:57 PM
To: "Steve Wedge"
Cc: "Eddy Swynar" ;
Subject: Re: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability
Steve -
I think 30 minutes is a reasonable 'warm-up' time. IF the radio is in a
controlled environment.!! Take on
et
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Hi Curt,
Wow...!
What I really wanted to do here, primarily, was to validate my "fix" of the
Drake PTO that's been practically driving me to drink here lo these past many
TR-7 fan is used to exhaust hot air from
>>>> the PA right out the back rather than blow it in all over the radio,
>>>> including the PTO, with each transmission.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Garey - K4OAH
>>>> Glen Allen, VA
>>>>
>>>&
it was a 30 minute warmup, because I seem to remember the
alignment procedures spec 30 minutes warmup before doing an alignment.
Steve Wedge, W1ES/4
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>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Wedge wrote:
>>> I always assumed it was a 30 minute warmup, because I seem to remember the
>>> alignment procedures spec 30 minutes warmup before doing an alignment.
>>>
>>> Steve Wedge, W1
I still do."
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- Original Message ----- From: "Eddy Swynar"
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Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 2:32 PM
Subject: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability
Hi All,
The manual for my T-4X states that stab
I wish my HQ-140X was this stable ... and has been said ... 59 degrees ...
yikes ... hell even I don't function well at 59 degrees..!!
Bill, W0LPQ
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Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 2:32 PM
Subject: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability
Hi All,
The manual for my T-4X states that stability is
Walsh
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- Original Message - From: "Eddy Swynar"
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Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 2:32 PM
Subject: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability
Hi All,
The manual for my T-4X states that stability is "LESS THAN 100
At 02:32 PM 11/25/2011, Eddy Swynar wrote:
although I dare say, probably not everyone has as thick a hide as I do in
being able to withstand a 59F ambient room temperature...! Hi Hi.
Good God man, close the windows when you're measuring drift!
:-)
John K5MO
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From: "Eddy Swynar"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 2:32 PM
Subject: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability
Hi All,
The manual for my T-4X states that stability is "LESS THAN 100 CYCLES
AFTER WARM-UP". My question is simply this: h
have drifted over 200 hz per hour and needed 18-24 hours to
stabilize; too, some never stabilized.
Enjoy those Drakes. And don't forget the Drake nets...
73,
Evan, K9SQG
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From: Eddy Swynar
To: drakelist
Sent: Fri, Nov 25, 2011 9:33 am
Subject: [Drak
- Original Message -
From: "Eddy Swynar"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:32 AM
Subject: [Drakelist] T-4X Stability
Hi All,
The manual for my T-4X states that stability is "LESS THAN
100 CYCLES AFTER WARM-UP". My question is simply this: how
long, exa
Hi All,
The manual for my T-4X states that stability is "LESS THAN 100 CYCLES AFTER
WARM-UP". My question is simply this: how long, exactly, is an accepted period
of "warm-up"...?
After all of the hoops that I've jumped through in stabilizing the PTO in my
rig (re-buiding it almost, actual
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