RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-07-01 Thread Woodrick, Ed
Guys, No one has ever said that D-STAR and the Internet will completely replace anything. But I will guarantee you that there are disasters during which ANYTHING can fail, including HF. NOTHING will ever be guaranteed. You cannot rely on anything. The point with D-STAR is that: * Co

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-28 Thread Sebastian
That was the thinking for many years. However, after a lot of research, it was determined that Andrew was indeed a Cat 5 when it hit Florida. I place my trust in the National Hurricane Center: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/NOAA_pr_8-21-02.html Wikipeida: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_an

Re: Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-28 Thread Ron Wright
it was so strong it was a tornado that was very large and lasted long time. 73, ron, n9ee/r >From: Sebastian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2008/06/28 Sat AM 12:06:17 EDT >To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access > >

RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-28 Thread Chuck Scott
Joel: While I agree that the Internet backbone is very robust, I certainly wouldn't put a nearly 100% certification on that. Keep in mind that a failure of internet connectivity alone is now worthy of declaring a communications emergency and cause for Ecomm activation. The most likely scenario

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Sebastian
The Labor Day Hurricane of 1935, and Hurricane Andrew in 1992. Both were category 5s, and both hit south Florida. 73 de W4AS Sebastian On Jun 27, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Ron Wright wrote: > Not sure what Cat 5 hurricane you were in. There has never been a > Cat 5 hurricane hit Florida going back

RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Bob McCormick W1QA
oops I wrote: > Well worked, Ed. s/worked/worded/

Building redundant D-STAR Systems (was: Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access)

2008-06-27 Thread Nate Duehr
Bob McCormick W1QA wrote: > In what I've drawn up so far - one of the weakest points > in our whole configuration is the D-STAR repeater controller > itself! Its easy to configure redundancy in that last mile > network connection ... and setup a reliable gateway including > maybe even a backup sys

RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Bob McCormick W1QA
Ed WA4YIH wrote: > Since its inception, the "Internet" has never gone down. > There are places where access has been unavailable, but > the Internet has never gone down. Except for the last mile, > most Internet connections are highly redundant. In the middle > of Katrina, in the middle of th

Re: Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Ron Wright
Not sure what Cat 5 hurricane you were in. There has never been a Cat 5 hurricane hit Florida going back over 100 years. Sure there has been one, maybe within last 100,000 yrs, hi. Kertina was Cat 5, but down to Cat 4 before hitting New Orlenes. I remember Charley in 2004. Was headed right

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread n1tai
: Woodrick, Ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:19 am Subject: RE: RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access I have walked into a location where the eye of a hurricane has passed and Internet was available. And don’t forget that we seldom locate rep

RE: RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Woodrick, Ed
I have walked into a location where the eye of a hurricane has passed and Internet was available. And don’t forget that we seldom locate repeaters in valleys that are prone to flooding, I like my repeaters on top of the hill. Not all repeaters are connected with DSL service, some have very high

Re: RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Ron Wright
rick, Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: 2008/06/26 Thu PM 11:07:01 EDT >To: "dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com" >Subject: RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access > >Matt, > >Since its inception, the "Internet" has never gone down.

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Ron Wright
Craig, When you loose power at your home most of the other areas around you most often have power and yes your internet might work. For New Orleans after Katrina type of event all for miles around you is down and I would not expect any service to work. Your battery/AC converter will make your

Re: Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Ron Wright
Tony and all, Here in Tampa Bay, Florida, area we have a number of cable providers that offer cable, internet, phone, etc. on one cable. I have Verizon FIOS which is a fiber optics to the home and I subscribe to cable TV, internet at 3 Mb and phone. The phone is high, but the others are compe

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Doug Ferrell
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Jack wrote: > I was in Lafayette, LA for this event, our cable Internet was only as good > as there batteries and gas powered generators, then there was also the lines > that were down. The short COX had limited or no coverage for 3 days in some > areas and in the rural area

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Mathaeus (Matthew Fonner)
Thank you all for your responses. I now have a better perspective of things. Matt / N3WNX

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Jack
I was in Lafayette, LA for this event, our cable Internet was only as good as there batteries and gas powered generators, then there was also the lines that were down. The short COX had limited or no coverage for 3 days in some areas and in the rural area I lived in it was 9 days till the cable wa

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Tony Langdon
At 05:36 PM 6/27/2008, you wrote: >I was told the that the Internet was still available in parts of New >Orleans after Katrina eventhough the power and the telephones were >out. Yes, that's what I heard as well (read my notes on the most common failure mode for Internet linked repeaters). >htt

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-27 Thread Nate Duehr
On Jun 26, 2008, at 3:20 PM, nj902 wrote: > Beg to differ, Nate. > > I know you computer gurus are all gaga about the world-wide call sign > routed [Nextel Direct-Talk] D-Star model, but from the point of view > of an Emergency Management Agency, we have no interest in having one > of our communi

RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-26 Thread Tony Langdon
At 01:07 PM 6/27/2008, you wrote: >Matt, > >Since its inception, the "Internet" has never gone down. There are >places where access has been unavailable, but the Internet has never gone down. >Except for the last mile, most Internet connections are highly >redundant. In the middle of Katrina, in

RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-26 Thread Woodrick, Ed
Matt, Since its inception, the "Internet" has never gone down. There are places where access has been unavailable, but the Internet has never gone down. Except for the last mile, most Internet connections are highly redundant. In the middle of Katrina, in the middle of the biggest California Ear

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-26 Thread Mathaeus (Matthew Fonner)
Having read things back and forth, I have a question: I'm not in ARES, RACES, or any other emergency group, but I was wondering Why choose a world-wide, open-gateway, type of system to be an emergency system? The way D-Star gets things out other than local broadcast range is via the gateway, and

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-26 Thread ke9v
Excellent Tony. Though I have heard the remote NCO in action I never really thought through the logistics of how that lends a hand in a localized communication emergency. 73 de Jeff, KE9V IRLP 4212 DV-Dongle

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-26 Thread Tony Langdon
At 10:20 AM 6/27/2008, you wrote: >As far as communications outside of the local area - we have HF rigs >in our EOC and lots of local volunteers who are willing to show up >with HF capabilities as needed. You might be surprised at how out of area communications can be used. The VoIP WX Net offe

Re: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-26 Thread John D. Hays
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM, nj902 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The general feeling is that if the disaster is big enough to take > down wide area public communications carriers we wouldn't count on > the internet or any internet linked system - D-Star or otherwise - > plus - there are sat

RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Limited access

2008-06-26 Thread Woodrick, Ed
Interesting viewpoint (BTW, why do you never identify who you are?) If you don't want anyone transiting your gateway, then it is really easy just to stop the services on the gateway, or block the inbound ports. But from the point of view of many of us and our Emergency Management Agencies, com