he charts you want are at http://gold-price.net
Great site, thanks for the reminder! They don't show NZD yet though.
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ush's announcement that he was lifting steel tariffs. The
drop didn't last long though.
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ormal currency trading in the parent trading system, though it
would complicate the accounting quite a bit.
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OK, there's your NY close above $400:
http://kitco.com/charts/popup/au24hr3day.html
Closed at $402.20.
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guys who
sustained him until now, and said "No, he is not scam" just to give him
time to prepare his big RIPPOFF.
Someone can answer these questions ?
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On Wednesday, November 26, 2003, at 11:46 AM, FileMatrix wrote:
Right, Patrick. For a moment I forgot that only a few elements from
the PIK
are used in a log-in. ...
Gotcha.
... A separate, unique, private log-in ID is required.
Besides, as Ian Green points out, locking out an account for
account and then take advantage
of the disgruntled FileMatrix customers who got bad service.
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the world before e-gold feels like the world currently!!
Zen man awakes and speaks enigma. New wonders on horizon?
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five or ten minutes of effort.
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ase price
is coming from? Those of us who carry the GE Consumer Finance credit
cards!
I do not grasp the point or the reasoning there.
Certain people spend 24% more per purchase, and that extra "purchase
price" is coming from someone else's pockets? What the?
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On Sunday, November 23, 2003, at 07:34 PM, Jim Davidson wrote:
I believe Patrick made the point
But the way Pecunix displays the PIKs makes it difficult if not
impossible to copy and paste them.
... Since we know
that keystroke loggers and clipboard loggers are out there,
it seems uncommonly
lets them read a message as it is
displayed on your computer screen after you decrypt it.
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ard to seeing the
innovations at Open2Exchange also. Enjoy your weekend with the family.
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ainly creating a new account is a horse of a different color,
I'll admit.
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:
H: (combo 0-9)
N: (combo 0-9)
Z: (combo 0-9)
D: (combo 0-9)
That might be nice.
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Some kind of blip in London gold today, could get interesting in NY.
http://kitco.com/charts/popup/au24hr3day.html
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e. It's kind of hard to go wrong with Pecunix
also because you just spend to an email address.
But even in these cases it's comforting to know the account name when
making a spend.
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ome people just CUT BACK on smoking or drinking, moderating their
consumption. That concept is somewhat anathema in today's irrational
Zero Tolerance culture.
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ept. Just
accept Pecunix and anyone can pay you.
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Gold just now touched $400 per troy ounce, at about 00:47 UTC on
Wednesday November 19, 2003.
http://kitco.com/charts/popup/au24hr3day.html
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AND the database!) I would believe Doug and Jay and
disbelieve the gigantic accounting firm.
I understand completely.
I guess I'm just a sucker for this kind of thing:
http://pecunix.info/gold_bars.htm
http://goldmoney.com/en/report.html
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". Instead, you'd have to say "123456.789" or
"123456,789" or "123 456.789" etc. etc.
I mean really, how often is it important to use a damn separator
character in an e-gold spend amount? How many kilogram or microgram
spends do people really do, and wo
There's a nice retracing of the gold price after yesterday's plummet:
http://kitco.com/charts/popup/au24hr3day.html
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oting statement. The
only things I really know about common stocks are (1) some of them pay
dividends and (2) all of them fluctuate in price.
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“We are here on earth to do good for others. What the others are here
for, I don't know.”
-- W.H. Auden on the subject of altruism
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must be either digits or spaces. That's
it.
This sensible rule is in harmony with the ISO 31-0:1992 standard that
John Kenrick noted on this list, and with the standard that David
Hillary learned in school.
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of embedded white space. (Enemies would include
programming language devotees with a natural aversion to white space in
a numeric constant.)
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On Monday, November 17, 2003, at 09:48 PM, Wilkinson Jens wrote:
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Of course, what the heck is a "small space" in the
ASCII character set?
This is just a guess, but there are some languages like
Chinese, Japanese, and Arabic that c
n an audit?
Also, is the old audit still on the site somewhere? I didn't find it
in the site map, and the word "audit" does not even appear in the User
Agreement.
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With that convention you can represent a decimal number using either
the American '.' convention or the European ',' convention. You could
even separate digits to the right of the point using '_' as well.
1_234_567_890.141_592_653_589_793_23
-- or --
1_234_567_89
y are just another BIG lie. He fooled most of us, but not
everyone.
Anyone who has informations on Steve Renner: let's gather our informations
and catch him before he decides to run to a private island in Pacific !
Sincerely yours
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Indeed, last night my wife and I went out for supper with a neighbor
couple who collect wine. He brought a 1989 Margaux ..
which Chateaux dude ???
Chateau Prieure Lichine.
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es alone without any reference
to some other homogenous system of units is possible.
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e wine, land, weed, etc. could even
EXCEED the total amount of actual gold or dollars available for trade
and the whole thing could still work.
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ined physical and logical entities -- certainly
that is not a requirement of the system.
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On Friday, November 7, 2003, at 12:23 PM, Danny Van den Berghe wrote:
Saving money does not serve any purpose.
Continuously invest all the money you don't need.
Yes, I think it's good to invest one's savings.
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for future purchases. Definitely invest assets in enterprises other
than the big banking shell game.
You know, in spite of my opposition to Robert B.Z.'s suggestion that
interest should be outlawed, I do appreciate some of what Robert is
saying. There is a huge amount of evil associa
llars) explicitly, but didn't it
always do that? What am I missing?
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difference is called
capital consumption. If the income available is greater than the amount
consumed, the difference is called saving. Among the main tasks of
economic calculation are those of establishing the magnitudes of
income, saving, and capital consumption.
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t is important to pump up the money supply to force people to invest.
I think these are false.
My problem with your last post is that all I saw was a bunch of
free-floating examples about zero-sum money moving around, and I didn't
see you connecting with your points and driving them
littering tautologies all
day long, but I don't remember what point you're trying to make.
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h you can consume or
trade in the future.
By that definition, it is both possible and desirable for every
individual on earth simultaneously to save.
There is no zero-sum arithmetical constraint as you describe.
The survival of the species does not depend on the existence of net
debtors.
--
n use)
if you want to save anything. Of course it's bad for a farmer to grow
300 acres of tomatoes he can't sell, just letting them rot in the field.
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t's why we need to take Keynes' advice and stamp expiration dates on
money.
I briefly heard about that one.
What, is it "hot potato" style, or like "musical chairs?" Last sucker
left holding the bag at midnight loses it all?
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t to pump up the money supply so that savings will
constantly erode in value, thus forcing people to invest when and where
they otherwise might not invest. God forbid the money should just "sit
there."
Without all you social engineers running things, no doubt the entire
world would j
thers. There is no need to
"choose" one as some kind of absolutely superior standard of value.
They're both valuable.
The same kind of consideration applies to everything else in life, even
computer programming languages.
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Patrick wrote:
It's a wild wacky spending binge from top to bottom! Prices are going
through the roof! And why? Because when you bail an asset into a
vault and get a note for that asset, then both the original asset AND
the note both "EXIST!" And when two items that are b
xperiencing some kind of permanent shortage of e-bullion?
I know I personally am getting low, but it seems like it's nowhere to
be found!
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vings deposits.
I guess the idea is that cash and checking account balances are pretty
much equally liquid, and the extra components in M2 are clearly less
liquid.
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ich is why they call it a "deposit" and not a
"bailment."
Please explain.
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On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 12:23 PM, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
I don't know if either of these is a better way of viewing it, or they
are equivalent, or there is some other better way of viewing it. But
I think there is a meaningful, well-defined distinction that can be
made betw
If you want to sell Cadillacs, just show some
flashy images and play a Led Zeppelin riff.
People will always "buy stuff" if you just get the hell out of their
way, get your hands off their paychecks, keep your rules off their
affairs, stop adulterating the money, and stop trying to con
On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Robert B.Z. wrote:
Patrick,
Just one item: Inflation isn't the same as rising prices.
Not every inflation results in higher prices and higher prices are not
always caused by inflation.
Right, I'm actually well aware of this "Austrian&
nse to
understand your "house" example as you have described it above, please
break it down for me and illustrate how suddenly we would have BRAND
NEW DUPLICATE ASSETS running around chasing goods and driving up
prices. Because that's what I thought we were talking about, actual
me
amount of money available for use in
trade.
I assume your questions refer to some motivational effect, where the
existence of a system prompts more people to find assets to bail into
that system, or something along those lines, am I right?
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On Wednesday, October 29, 2003, at 11:38 AM, Robert B.Z. wrote:
"Your point is well taken, but you made one small mistake there, JP.
1mdc does NOT expand the money supply in any way.
-- Patrick"
In a way it actually does. Much in the same way a bank deposit or
holding
a balan
t is well taken, but you made one small mistake there, JP.
1mdc does NOT expand the money supply in any way.
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OK, John Kyle of Cambist.net is the new hero of the e-gold list.
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he very least I can get a good laugh and decline to
participate.
You bring up some fun things to consider, Robert!
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kens.
If you give me 20% of the initial issue I promise to kick back 50% of
anything I get for them. Yeah baby, FIAT is where the action is!!!
Anybody got any Boggs bills for sale? I'll pay you private fiat tokens
for them.
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ld...
But of course we know there is NO "gold base" to TGC shares. The
shares merely have a going price that is stated in gold. And very few
people are going to accept TGC shares directly in trade for goods and
services. No investment instrument is going to be as liquid as money
its
appiness, love, fun,
health, well-being -- things which are facilitated by gold, not
embodied in it.
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f shoes without the shuffle every hand to entice
those that think they have some "strategy".
Yes, it is a feature and that's exactly what they do.
But what I'm really interested in is figuring out how to program
digital slot machines. Card games are simple.
Fascinating asserti
The TGC IPO shares are now all sold. The secondary market is wide open
now.
https://www.dbourse.com/guests/
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ree Zone would
accept payment of invoices in e-gold. Of course, what they use as
money is entirely their business, but one might expect that the kind of
people setting up shop in such a Free Zone might be a bit more attuned
and amenable to better monetary options.
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been spent!?). The only reason you
don't see 40 year old dimes and quarters is that those were made of
silver and therefore nobody is foolish enough to spend them anymore.
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On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 04:41 AM, Phil Watson wrote:
For the cigar aficionados in the group...
I have posted a box of Cuban cigars - Montecristo #2
on goldbarter
ellsmoke
Cool!
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A good essay on the nature of economic value.
http://mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=1349
Here are some excerpts:
By Gene Callahan
[Posted October 17, 2003]
Somewhat ironically, it was one of the greatest philosophers who has
ever lived, Aristotle, who was perhaps most responsible for steerin
ith e-bullion costs only the small
$0.25 spend fee.
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On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, at 01:59 AM, Khurram Khan wrote:
... I know I'm about to get a swarm of emails
saying "You are F***ing wrong" but oh-well.
Oh and by the way Khurram, you are not only wrong, you are Fudging
wrong!
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s the best policy.
Central planning? It's bad enough when pointy-haired bosses do it, but
by bureaucrats?!! The horror ... the horror.
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ll the places people most want to
go.
As far as I can tell, taxes are a terribly inefficient and morally
objectionable blunt instrument for getting things done. There are far
better ways of doing things.
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't that the way it's supposed to work, Jim?
Free Luna!
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On Sunday, October 12, 2003, at 02:18 PM, FileMatrix wrote:
But in the United States, the thugs outlawed redeeming currency for
gold.
Patrick, why is this "redeeming" word so important? Can't you just say
you
*exchange* paper money for gold on the free market? ...
I understand w
be possible even in
principle? Specifically, if you had a gold certificate you knew would
become unredeemable at a specific time, would you really hold onto it
past that time? Wouldn't you go ahead and redeem it for gold? And
wouldn't the threat of imprisonment be just about the
uggestions, like CEOs should only make this much,
pro basketball players shouldn't make so much, people mopping floors
must make at least this much. Trying to make the world a better place
is exactly what's making it such a tedious and nasty place.
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selves, are evolving toward more trade in
hard money and less in fiat tokens. This works to erode the utility of
fiat tokens, though imperceptibly at first. But if the physics are
just right, this effect could easily compound far beyond anybody's
ability to predict at this point.
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as an individual who advocates or
participates in the initiation of force against others.
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af of
tightly wound bamboo strips.
Any questions?
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itous system it is.
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On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 03:01 AM, Robert B.Z. wrote:
I actually enjoy the objections of both Patrick and Frank because they
are
contructive and make sense.
Here we go: Patrick, if you lend someone a piece of gold and get the
piece
bank plus a smaller one, you won't be hauled to p
to chips a month later? What's the
deal here?
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ut 40 years recently.
Between these grim and ideal scenarios there are many degrees of
freedom, and some of us are opting for more freedom.
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On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 01:40 PM, Steve Schear wrote:
At 12:11 PM 10/6/2003 -0400, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
It is also precisely why the US government will never allow the
payment of taxes in gold, and why in the 1930's they banned
businesses from writing contracts denominated in
en taxes are paid in gold I may
no longer object to fiat paper but I may still object to the taxes. We
can cross that bridge when we get to it.
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s me of another important point. Businesses can always
trade in commercial paper when they find gold settlement inconvenient.
Commercial paper is, after all, a good and faithful promise to deliver
specific goods at a future date.
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you can accomplish with slave labor if you keep the slaves fed and
entertained! Without this crucial economic motor, we wouldn't have
such wonders of the world as Amtrak, Social Security, and government
schools!
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s periodic tribute to be paid only
in those certificates, he has earned a public display at the end of a
rope. Such people are no different in principle from the thugs
portrayed in Martin Scorsese's movie "Gangs of New York," though Daniel
Day Lewis' character is far more admirable t
ch specify only a
quantity and a unit of mass.
Second, I also agree that nitpicky fractional amounts with lots of
zeroes like 0.008 are inconvenient. It is common to use 'mg' to
represent a milligram (of gold). The price of an apple in your
scenario would be 8mg -- a nice whole num
n the world, and in the United States, to
finance much more business than is being done at present, provided good
and faithful promises to pay gold (or its equivalent) can again be
established. ..."
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On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
conversion ratio of about $19.39 per ounce, slightly less
than the $20 per ounce figure you ordinarily hear about.
Perhaps the balance would represent some exchange fee
built into the system? It is an interesting point.
I do
d tax compliance, and the only avenue of escape for government
will be high levels of monetary inflation. Even if Alan Greenspan
lives forever I don't think he could stop it.
-- Patrick
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s. It is explicitly
defined as 24.75 grains.
Tonight when I get back home I'm going to look in my 1935 original copy
of Robeson's "Monetary Mischief" because I vaguely recall him saying
something about this explicitly.
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there are 480 grains to a troy ounce, the Eagle actually contains
just over half an ounce of pure gold -- 0.515625 oz to be exact. That
a conversion ratio of about $19.39 per ounce, slightly less than the
$20 per ounce figure you ordinarily hear about.
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am and 'ng' for nanogram. I tend to view micropayments as
literally more trouble than they are worth, though others seem to have
found economically viable applications for them.
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Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, but when it comes to physical transfers,
I still think gold and silver coins are a good idea. You can easily
carry enough gold to buy a new BMW.
Patrick
This of course would only work for a limited number of people at the
current time, as it would require som
"Kinko" because of his curly, reddish hair.
http://www.kinkos.com/about_us/history.php
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ts will be
conducted in gold.
Finally, with establishment of the Bank of International Gold
Settlements
in Kuala Lumpur next year Malaysia strongly urges her trading partners
to
follow her examples.
I wonder if we'll get invaded sometime soonish?
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