Hi all. I received this today from somebody who is not on the list, but is
being forwarded messages from someone on the list. She wanted me to forward
this on to all of you.
Happy Wednesday :)
Tj.
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From:
So, we've heard both sides of the "story" now (several times in fact) - Anne's
side, Brian's side, many people on this list's commentary on the argument. Is
it over now?
Obviously, Anne said something that was *interpreted* as blatant flaming by
others on the list. Obviously, Anne doesn't
Your comments interest me, Brian. I understand what you are saying on some
levels. By society's traditional standards of what "manliness" is, you're
right. A "true" man is one who is violent, aggressive, and unfeeling. But do
you really think that it is not possible to change the definition
I've done some research on sadomasochism, and there is a difference between
sadistic/masochistic acts and sadomasochism. People who participate in good SM
believe in consent, in role playing, and never coerce or force people to
participate. Often, a person who typically has power (such as a
I think I would have to say that Patriarchy is *changing* but I don't know if
that means it is becoming weak per se. I think it's finding new ways to
dominate and oppress. The reason for this? Well, it is true that women have
access to more independence financially, educationally, politically
While I understand what you are saying Teresa, I don't think that restricting
this list, particularly this early in its existence is necessarily the best thing
to do. First, I don't think we should ever restrict it to "women and men who
want to be women" I feel that men have a lot to say about
All *Men* are not the enemy. In fact, out of the men that are alive right now,
I'd say very few of them are my enemies. It is this system of oppression which
has been growing, changing, shifting, and exploiting ever since humans began
settling down and owning property and controlling others
Eugene:
You are quite right in asserting that eskimos eat diets which consist
primarily of meat and/or fish. Since they live in a habitat which is
unsuitable for most plant life to grow, there really is no other option.
I don't think that Eskimos feel tremendous amounts of trauma for killing
Brian:
First of all, I don't think I ever said I have never killed anything before. I
have, I didn't like it, but that was a personal ethical decision, not one I
feel I have the right to impose upon all of humanity. If a person chooses to
hunt to feed him/herself, and truly understands the
Okay (oh, I forgot already who I'm responding to), so your boss provides you
with a computer (or a high tech machine, or a pen, or a hammer, or any other
mode of production) and you do the labor required to produce the product (while
your boss is busy doing supervising, paperwork, meetings, etc -
H.C.
There are a few people out there who are fruititarians - that is, they eat
nothing that requires the killing of anything. I don't know a whole lot of
foods that they can eat (other than fruits - which if picked very carefully off
of the tree or vine doesn't kill anything, it's more like
I know that somehow, we're saying basically the same thing here Brian . . .let
me see if I can clear up what I'm trying to say.
I agree that on the whole, this society has a meat imposed diet put upon them.
I hate this concept, and understand that this imposition has little or nothing
to do
Hi Brian . . . my, the two of us seem to be doing a lot of talking around here,
don't we? :) - see? she's truly smiling.
In this culture (sorry, still haven't had time to figure out who they are)
marriage is for men a source of economic stability much like it is for women in
this country. An
Hi Brian. I don't have the name of the tribe with me, but I'll do my best to
find it (saw the film in sociology/anthropology classes at my old school, can't
find it here) I think they're located on an island somewhere near Australia(?)
but maybe that's just my brain telling me something wrong.
Hi Lori (when I first saw your address ltomlin - I thought lili tomlin had
joined us :) )
Most assuredly I would love to chat about the slaughtering and cruelity to
animals - what did you have in mind? There's so much to talk about . . . such
a broad topic.
Tj.
peace is never a
Oh, I'm going to have to disagree about the hypothesis that someone claimed
(sorry, don't know your name - please sign it at the bottom of your post) that
if women were in control, things would be in perfect order (or even better than
they are now). Capitalism is a power issue, it is not a
The question isn't what IS spirituality? it's what ISN'T spirituality? I
personally find spirituality in everything and everyone.
However, while I'd like it if all people were "in touch" with their spiritual
sides, I would never expect or pressure a person into believing something that
s/he
It is interesting that many of us have responded (often negatively) to the
concept of the feminine being somehow closer to nature. While I do not
necessarily agree with this, nor do I believe that it is right to assume that
the most wonderful thing a woman can do (hence, her most vital function
Well, I thought I'd lurk for a few days, but I couldn't do that since I saw
that someone (sorry, I forgot your name already) is from Albuquerque, NM (UNM,
right?) which is where I'm from - though not living there right now. I'm sort
of trapped in the middle of Central Texas. No offense if
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