Re: [ECOLOG-L] Open Access References Re: [ECOLOG-L] NYT OP-ED piece about public access to research publications

2012-01-12 Thread malcolm McCallum
Commercial journals and prestigious journals are not inclusive of one another. Commercial journals use a number of strategies to inflate their initial impact ratings. These strategies are not available to most non-commercial outlets. For example, most societies publish 1-2 journals. Most commerci

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Open Access References Re: [ECOLOG-L] NYT OP-ED piece about public access to research publications

2012-01-12 Thread David L. McNeely
Nicholas Rosenstock wrote: > A simple question that after 8 -10 years in science I still don't really > get: > > Where does the money go? So far as ESA is concerned, _The Annual Report_ is published, duh, annually for anyone who wants to know: http://www.esa.org/aboutesa/docs/annualrepor

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Open Access References Re: [ECOLOG-L] NYT OP-ED piece about public access to research publications

2012-01-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
erences Re: [ECOLOG-L] NYT OP-ED piece about public access to research publications All of us know who the real buck chasing publishers are, and they are not the scholarly organizations like ESA. Elsevier Press comes to mind. I'm not sure what Wayne means when he says, "Concentrate on t

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Open Access References Re: [ECOLOG-L] NYT OP-ED piece about public access to research publications

2012-01-12 Thread Nicholas Rosenstock
A simple question that after 8 -10 years in science I still don't really get: Where does the money go? We often pay to publish. Most journals don't actually print anything anymore (or very little and only at an extra charge). Reviewing is free (and in my opinion should stay so). So that leaves:

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Open Access References Re: [ECOLOG-L] NYT OP-ED piece about public access to research publications

2012-01-12 Thread David L. McNeely
All of us know who the real buck chasing publishers are, and they are not the scholarly organizations like ESA. Elsevier Press comes to mind. I'm not sure what Wayne means when he says, "Concentrate on the work rather than the buck." One certainly doesn't get any bucks for publishing in a tra

[ECOLOG-L] Open Access References Re: [ECOLOG-L] NYT OP-ED piece about public access to research publications

2012-01-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
Honorable Forum: From http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/11/opinion/research-bought-then-paid-for.html?_r=1 "Researchers should cut off commercial journals' supply of papers by publishing exclusively in one of the many "open-access" journals that are perfectly capable of managing peer review . .