Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread Jay Warner
"Neil W. Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:49:09 -0500 > From: "Neil W. Henry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election > > Paul Thompson wrote, speaking of "caustic jerks": > > > Herman Rubin wrote: > > > > > > You may be making

Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread Rachel Pearce
As a Brit living in America I am not entitled to comment on most of the points in this argument, but I would like to say a few things: a) People in America apparently vote with machines and not just machines, but machines of a type (card punch) which was being retired when I started work nearly 2

Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread Ronald Bloom
In sci.stat.edu Herman Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Paul Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>At this point, I have been shocked at the unprofessional, bias, and cluelessly >>partisan comments that have been made on this thread. Comments like "Bu

Re: What's type III?

2000-11-17 Thread Rich Ulrich
On 16 Nov 2000 17:18:44 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Radford Neal) wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Rich Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There is another definition [ of "Type III error" ] cited a few > > times which is seemingly technical, "rejecting the null, but in the > > wrong

Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread Michael Granaas
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Ronald Bloom wrote: > Michael Granaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Gore also won consistently among minorities and lower income groups. In > > those cases the stereotype is dead on. > > > > Michael > > > > Does this correlate in your view with a higher likel

Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread Rich Ulrich
< re: "illiteracy" of Gore voters based on 10-item vocabulary test > On 17 Nov 2000 06:50:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William B. Ware) wrote: > Should we not be concerned with some measurement issues before we debate > the evidence? What were the items on the 10-item test? That is, everyone

Re: Balanced Incomplete Block Designs

2000-11-17 Thread Kevin Anderson
Greetings! Try this link to sample programs at SAS: http://ftp.sas.com/techsup/download/sample/samp_lib/qcsampBalanced_Incomplet e_Block_Design.html Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hello: > > Does anyone happen to know of any computer p

statrification of categorical variables

2000-11-17 Thread RB
I'm doing a Poisson regression analysis to assess the effect of age, calendar years, and job title on death. The age range is from 18 to 63 years and the calendar 10 years periods extends from 1950 to 1990. Does anybody have any advice on what criteria I should apply for the stratification of the

sas-callable sudaan in sas v. 8

2000-11-17 Thread Richard Herrell
Can anyone tell me if SAS-callable SUDAAN v. 7.5 runs within SAS v. 8? === Richard Herrell Division of EpidemiologyNational Center for American and Biostatistics Indian an

Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >At this point, I have been shocked at the unprofessional, bias, and cluelessly >partisan comments that have been made on this thread. Comments like "Bush voters >being more educated" do not reflect the educated mind, but

Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread Ronald Bloom
Michael Granaas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Magill, Brett wrote: > > > Gore also won consistently among minorities and lower income groups. In > those cases the stereotype is dead on. > > Michael > Does this correlate in your view with a higher likelihood of their

Re: Fundamental differences between Statistics and Data Mining?

2000-11-17 Thread Robert Hamer
>> I'm attempting to compile an online list of the fundamental differences >> between our field Statistics and Data Mining. Several online references >> that touch on the topic include It's very simple. Data Mining is everything they taught you _not_ do do when you took statistics. -- --(Signa

Re: Stats on Palm Beach votes

2000-11-17 Thread Richard M. Barton
Using the data from this site, I did a matrix of scatterplots of the number of votes each candidate received versus each of the other candidates. Looks to me like Palm Beach county always shows up as an outlier for any scatterplot involving Buchanan, McReynolds, or Phillips. All were on the right

S-Stress

2000-11-17 Thread Jan de Leeuw
I did not see the original posting, but I guess it asks about S-Stress. This is the loss function used in ALSCAL and other programs that minimize squared deviations between dissimilarities and squared distances. Details are in any MDS book, for instance Cox & Cox, Multidimensional Scaling, Chapma

Student paper awards, JSM 2001 (Health Policy Stats)

2000-11-17 Thread Alan Zaslavsky
Health Policy Statistics Section Sponsors Student Paper Competition The Health Policy Statistics Section of the American Statistical Association announces a competition for student and postgraduate papers to be presented at the Joint Statistical Meetings in 2001. Winners of t

Student paper awards, JSM 2001 (Social, Government and Survey Research Stats)

2000-11-17 Thread Alan Zaslavsky
Attention: Students and Faculty! Government Statistics, Social Statistics and Survey Research Methods Sections Sponsor Paper Competition The Government Statistics, Social Statistics and Survey Research Methods Sections are pleased to announce a competition for student and postgradua

Re: Stats on Palm Beach votes

2000-11-17 Thread Rich Ulrich
Here is a link to articles on the "Palm Beach Irregularities" -- butterfly ballot, Buchanan votes, and related errors. It points to six other studies, and to raw data for Florida by county (for 2000 and 1996) presidential races. http://madison.hss.cmu.edu/ -- Rich Ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECT

NY Times article on accuracy of machine vs. hand counts

2000-11-17 Thread Robert Chung
In today's edition of the NY Times was this article on the accuracy of machine vs. hand counts as described by the makers of vote-counting machines. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/17/politics/17MACH.html In summary, under ideal conditions the machines can be up to 99.99% accurate. Ideal conditio

RE: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread Michael Granaas
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Magill, Brett wrote: > >It has created controversy, as witnessed by the replies it has > >generated, therefore it is controversial. > > > I am not sure why the results that were presented need to be terribly > controversial. Democratic supporters tend to be minority, older

Re: Balanced Incomplete Block Designs

2000-11-17 Thread Isabelle Auger
Hi, CycDesigN is a good package for computer generation of BIBD. It cost something but I think you can order a free demo. Take a look at this Web site. http://www.ffp.csiro.au/tigr/software/cycdesign/cycdes.htm Isabelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit dans le message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... >Hello: >

RE: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread Magill, Brett
>It has created controversy, as witnessed by the replies it has >generated, therefore it is controversial. I am not sure why the results that were presented need to be terribly controversial. Democratic supporters tend to be minority, older, poorer, and less educated than their republican count

Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread William B. Ware
Should we not be concerned with some measurement issues before we debate the evidence? What were the items on the 10-item test? That is, everyone seems to be jumping the gun... doesn't anyone care about validity anymore? :( WBW _

Balanced Incomplete Block Designs

2000-11-17 Thread chiuwing
Hello: Does anyone happen to know of any computer programs or algorithms that can simulate the data patterns of Balanced Incomplete Block Designs (BIBD)? I'm trying to test the robustness of some model. I found a number of articles and books describing BIBD but didn't have any luck finding any

Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread R. Martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > NUMBER WORDS CORRECT IN VOCABULARY TEST > > > POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATION Mean N Std Dev Grouped Median Std. > Error of Mean > > > STRONG DEMOCRAT 5.83 263 2.22 5.81 > .14 > > > NOT STR DEMOCRAT 6.02

Re: Fundamental differences between Statistics and Data Mining?

2000-11-17 Thread Francois Bergeret
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --7016062B1E244333164619B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, my opinion is that datamining is just a marketing name, because datamining techniques are a part of statistics. May be an exception t

Re: NY Times on "statisticians' view" of election

2000-11-17 Thread Eric Bohlman
In sci.stat.edu Ronald Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So far, NOT ONE person here has responded to my > point that the likelihood of getting into a tangle > of some sort with a machine or mechanical procedure > of some kind does not necessarily have anything > to do with one's level of literac

Re: What is S-Stress? - Thank You

2000-11-17 Thread Markus Tauber
Thanks for all e-Mails, and Re's in the newsgroup. You helped me very much - My problem is solved :-) Greetings from Leipzig/Germany Markus = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPR

Re: Statistical Analysis of 'Streaks'?

2000-11-17 Thread David Jones
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 3a147b80$2$zvyyre$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:3a147b80$2$zvyyre$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > On 11/16/00, "Somebody" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >I wish to study 'streaks' - ie. periods of deviation from expected results > >based upon large samples. > > >Could someone