Re: [Elecraft] K3: Can transmit RX segment recorded on DVR?

2009-12-07 Thread Geoffrey Downs
Oscar, Hold AF Play while PTT is pressed. You may wish to have MON on at a comfortable level so you can hear when the bit of recording you want to tx comes to an end. I believe firmware to turn MON on autmatically in these circumstances (if not on already) is on Wayne's list. 73 to all Geoff

Re: [Elecraft] K3 on 160 Meters

2009-12-07 Thread Julian, G4ILO
Lee Buller wrote: Had one issuethe K3 did not go back to receive one time. Deaf radio. Hit the Xmit again and it came back alive. Did not have that issue again. I wonder what that was? There have been a few reports of this in the last few weeks, though I think all previous

Re: [Elecraft] [HAM] Windows 7 and LoTW

2009-12-07 Thread AB3EN
Thanks for the input. My issues are related to a fresh install of the tQSL programs on a fresh Win 7 and the request for a new cert (TQ5) and load failures for the generated TQ6. 73 Dan AB3EN - Dan AB3EN -- View this message in context:

[Elecraft] Is this feature in the K3? Have I missed it?

2009-12-07 Thread Lee Buller
Is there a feature in the K3 that changes the PWR control from fine to course?  I am not complaining, but it seems that at times I would like to have a course adjustment on the PWR control to set up an amplifier quickly. Just a thoughtPWR- FINE/COURSE Lee - K0WA In our day and age it

Re: [Elecraft] OT: wall wart for RX-only PS?

2009-12-07 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Doug, As Mel has suggested a laptop supply is an option, I used one to power my K2 in RX mode 24/7 over a period of almost 3 years during a propagation study. The supply I used outputs 15V @ 500mA, so I used a LM317 regulator after the supply to obtain the required output voltage for the K2

[Elecraft] OT: Wall Warts: OK...stop the comments! :-)

2009-12-07 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Thanks to everyone for all their input. My inbox was (and still is) inundated with replies. I got the message!!! LOL What a group...clearly #1. de Doug KR2Q __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] Is this feature in the K3? Have I missed it?

2009-12-07 Thread Julian, G4ILO
Lee Buller wrote: Is there a feature in the K3 that changes the PWR control from fine to course? I am not complaining, but it seems that at times I would like to have a course adjustment on the PWR control to set up an amplifier quickly. If there is I have also missed it. I'd be happy

Re: [Elecraft] Is this feature in the K3? Have I missed it?

2009-12-07 Thread Gary, VE1RGB
That's a feature I have often wanted to see as well. My contest buddy Al VA1MM lives 1/8 mile away and I work him to get the NS/MAR mult some times or just to say hello, and I hate to hit him with 100W. Unfortunately in a contest one has no time to adjust the K3 output power to a reasonable

Re: [Elecraft] Config:Wattmeter

2009-12-07 Thread Robert Dorchuck
I have built two K3's (the last one in March 09) and the calibration worked fine then. As you say, there are work arounds but it would sure be nice if the K3 worked as the manual shows. Bob W6VY This bug in the wattmeter calibration still exists in the latest firmware. Pressing XMIT

[Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers

2009-12-07 Thread David Yarnes
Hi All, I don't know how many of you share my frustration about printing needs, but I find it to be a fairly expensive process. I've been using an HP printer that is wireless for about 3 years, and it does a very nice job. However, it is a constant battle as those printer cartridges don't

Re: [Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers

2009-12-07 Thread Jeff KB2M
I wish all my radio manufactures that frequently update their manuals, send out change pages, in addition to full copies. This would save a lot of trees. I know you could just print out the change pages, but then you would have a problem indexing inserts of 2 pages or more. There are obvious ways

Re: [Elecraft] Is this feature in the K3? Have I missed it?

2009-12-07 Thread Vic K2VCO
Lee Buller wrote: Is there a feature in the K3 that changes the PWR control from fine to course? I am not complaining, but it seems that at times I would like to have a course adjustment on the PWR control to set up an amplifier quickly. You can easily create a macro that will set the

Re: [Elecraft] (Fwd) Re: Droid

2009-12-07 Thread Mike, ks7d
Hi Brett, It will require a server program to be developed for the PC, Mac or Linux computer that is connected to the K3. So, to provide access for Windows, Mac and Linux users there will need to be three different server versions developed. Then a client side application needs to be written

Re: [Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers

2009-12-07 Thread Bob Maser
When you print, when the print screen comes up and before you hit the OK to Print key, click preferences, set the quality level to Fast Draft and then go to the Color tab and click on grayscale. Your printer will print faster and use much less ink. Try it. Bob W6TR - Original Message

[Elecraft] Is this feature in the K3? Have I missed it?

2009-12-07 Thread Don Ehrlich
Way back in early K3 days there was a request for speed-sensitive power setting, I think. Faster spinning of the knob would move the power setting faster. I think such a feature is on the list. Of course, I could be thinking of some other similar feature .. don't remember for sure. Don

Re: [Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers

2009-12-07 Thread Hank Garretson
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Bob Maser, W7AQK, bmas...@q.com wrote: When you print, when the print screen comes up and before you hit the OK to Print key, click preferences, set the quality level to Fast Draft and then go to the Color tab and click on grayscale.  Your printer will print

Re: [Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers

2009-12-07 Thread Rick Hiller
Suggestion: What about printing to a PDF file for most of the informational downloads from the web. Agreed, there are times when you must have a hard copy, but most times a PDF will do quite nicely and you can set up your file storage a management system to reflect different categories, topics,

Re: [Elecraft] Is this feature in the K3? Have I missed it?

2009-12-07 Thread Wes Stewart
Having it set dBw would make more sense. --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Don Ehrlich ehrl...@clallambroadband.com wrote: From: Don Ehrlich ehrl...@clallambroadband.com Subject: [Elecraft] Is this feature in the K3? Have I missed it? To: Lee Buller k...@swbell.net, Elecraft Reflector

Re: [Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers

2009-12-07 Thread Dick Williams
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[Elecraft] K3: incrementing Power level

2009-12-07 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Well, if this can be a user selection fine. But I really like the tiny steps below 12 watts. Please retain that. Thanks, de Doug KR2Q __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

Re: [Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers

2009-12-07 Thread Alan Bloom
Since this is off-topic I'll try to keep it short. On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 08:34 -0700, David Yarnes wrote: I think printers have become like safety razors--cheap to buy on the front end, but very expensive to keep properly supplied. That's been exactly the business model of printer

Re: [Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers

2009-12-07 Thread Doug Person
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Distorted Sound while using AM

2009-12-07 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I have utterly clear AM reception. And am so far unable to reproduce your symptoms. I'm not sure what firmware you are using but with last couple beta versions it is possible to drive the DAC circuits into overrange blast protection muting. It is possible to accentuate the lows on AM to the

Re: [Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers

2009-12-07 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I have a Brother HL-2170W wireless laser printer in our office here: 2400/600 dpi on letter size paper, wireless 802.11b/g or wired (Ethernet) network interfaces, 32 Mb internal memory. Costs less than $150 new from most sources. Easy on toner. Fast. Been keeping pace with our needs - appx 200

Re: [Elecraft] M1-M4: Can a CW Paddle that has four memory switches be wired directly to the K3?

2009-12-07 Thread Wayne Burdick
Short answer is: not a good idea. The K3 front panel PC board has top-surface gold-plated landing pads for each of the pushbutton switches. It might be possible to find appropriate vias (holes) at which to attach discrete wires to activate the switches externally. But this could introduce

Re: [Elecraft] K3: incrementing Power level

2009-12-07 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: Well, if this can be a user selection fine. But I really like the tiny steps below 12 watts. Please retain that. If this area of code is to be revisited, the gap in available power settings on 50MHz also needs to be addressed. The maximum available power without the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - N1MM - RTTY

2009-12-07 Thread Richard Ferch
Jim, This is not a mode question, it's a matter of how you set your filters. What you see in the MMTTY waterfall/spectrum display is controlled by how you have set the Shift and Width controls on the K3 (and the dual tone filter, if you are using it), not by what mode the radio is in. I'd

Re: [Elecraft] K3: incrementing Power level

2009-12-07 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Ian, If this area of code is to be revisited, the gap in available power settings on 50MHz also needs to be addressed. The maximum available power without the KPA3 is 8W on 50MHz, but the minimum available power with the KPA3 activates is about 13W - a jump of more than 60%. The gap

[Elecraft] [K3] K3: SWR meter adjustment

2009-12-07 Thread N0SA
I just noticed that the SWR meter readings on my K3 do not match my IC-7000 or my Palstar antenna analyzer. The Icom and the Palstar both read the same but the K3 reads lower. The K3 reads 1.0:1 the others read 1.5:1. Is there an adjustment for the K3, or am I just being too critical here? Larry

[Elecraft] knobs - becomes Custom clearing in France

2009-12-07 Thread Raymond METZGER
Hi, Your vision of the delivery timing in France doesn't match at all my own experience. My K3, sent at 4 p.m. local time in California, has been delivered by UPS 2 days later, 9 a.m. Paris time. Smaller items, sent by Aptos through the US Mail, have always (4 or five times) arrived in less

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3: SWR meter adjustment

2009-12-07 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Is that on all bands? How long is the coaxial cable between the K3 and the external meter? Both of those things will have a pronounced effect on the SWR. Even though the K3 has found a 1.0:1 match, that says nothing about the SWR on the coaxial line. The readings you see on an external SWR

[Elecraft] W2 Utility Programs now available for Mac Linux!

2009-12-07 Thread Brian
Attention users of Mac OS X Linux: Thanks to the excellent work of Dick Dievendorff (K6KR), and David Fleming (W4SMT), we now have available W2 Utility Programs for these systems. Now you can upgrade your W2 firmware to the latest revs (currently at 0.91). Check out...

[Elecraft] Help

2009-12-07 Thread Richard Thorpe
I put my kit together, everything went smoothly. Plugged it in started up, almost everything works ( relay chatter when switching in the SUB receive) and it sounds like there is no antenna attached on every band on every antenna port with all kinds of antennas. There are plenty of

Re: [Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers

2009-12-07 Thread wham727
Most of us get a little hot under the collar when you we learn the truth about inkjet printers. The time I researched it, inkjet ink costs about $3000-$5000 a gallon at the retail prices. The printer manufacturers have used the Gillette model for several years now. Not only do they

Re: [Elecraft] K3: incrementing Power level

2009-12-07 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Ian, If this area of code is to be revisited, the gap in available power settings on 50MHz also needs to be addressed. The maximum available power without the KPA3 is 8W on 50MHz, but the minimum available power with the KPA3 activates is about 13W - a jump of more

Re: [Elecraft] K3: incrementing Power level

2009-12-07 Thread Wayne Burdick
This is on my firmware list. Wayne http://www.elecraft.com On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Ian White GM3SEK gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk wrote: Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Ian, If this area of code is to be revisited, the gap in available power settings on 50MHz also needs to be addressed. The

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3: SWR meter adjustment

2009-12-07 Thread ab2tc
Hi, Do you have the internal antenna tuner option installed? AB2TC - Knut N0SA wrote: I just noticed that the SWR meter readings on my K3 do not match my IC-7000 or my Palstar antenna analyzer. The Icom and the Palstar both read the same but the K3 reads lower. The K3 reads 1.0:1 the

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3: SWR meter adjustment

2009-12-07 Thread N0SA
Here are the results on three bands: Each radio or antenna analyzer is connected to the exact same coax, there are no added switches or connections, the coax goes straight to the antenna. K3 IC-7000 Palstar Antenna analyzer 40M1.1:1 1.5:1

Re: [Elecraft] K3: incrementing Power level

2009-12-07 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Wayne Burdick wrote: If this area of code is to be revisited, the gap in available power settings on 50MHz also needs to be addressed. This is on my firmware list. Thank you, that's what I was hoping to hear. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3: SWR meter adjustment

2009-12-07 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It's possible the K3's SWR indication is off. I'm trying to help you remove the other possibilities for error first. If you have a KAT3 it must be in BYPASS. If you need it to obtain the match at the K3 the K3 SWR reading will not indicate the actual SWR on the coax, only the SWR the K3 sees

[Elecraft] K3 with Heil PR781 Speech Processor or Pre-Amp?

2009-12-07 Thread brian
To the List: I just brought my new kit K3 on line using the Heil PR781. The microphone has great tone; however, it seems that I need a little more signal going into the K3. I'd like to know what more experienced (which is everyone in comparison to me) Elecraft users have to say on the subject

[Elecraft] [K3] RE: K3: SWR meter adjustment

2009-12-07 Thread N0SA
NO From: ab2tc [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml-node+4128755-2035094...@n2.nabble.com] Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 3:57 PM To: N0SA Subject: Re: K3: SWR meter adjustment Hi, Do you have the internal antenna tuner option installed? AB2TC - Knut N0SA wrote: I just noticed that the SWR

Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil PR781 Speech Processor or Pre-Amp?

2009-12-07 Thread Don Wilhelm
Brian, I don't have any first hand experience with external speech processors and the K3, but with the controls available in the K3 itself - TXEQ, mic level, and compression, I wonder why anyone would want to use additional processing. I might add a cautionary note - using two speech

[Elecraft] How can one shut down a K3 radio remotely?

2009-12-07 Thread John K9UWA
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Re: [Elecraft] How can one shut down a K3 radio remotely?

2009-12-07 Thread Don Wilhelm
John, Use the PS cat command - see the K3 Programmer's Reference. Power on must be external to the K3 - pull pin 8 of the ACC connector low with some external device (or press the POWER switch).. Please note: Even if you ask a question in the subject line, please repeat it in the body of your

[Elecraft] [K3] RE: K3: SWR meter adjustment

2009-12-07 Thread N0SA
I have contacted Elecraft support to see what they have to say. My radio has no internal tuner and I move the coax from device to device so there is no difference in connections or coax lengths. The coax goes straight out to the antenna which is a ground mounted vertical fed at the base with an

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Distorted Sound while using AM

2009-12-07 Thread Bill W5WVO
Even if you do have a wide roofing filter, this method is oftentimes superior when listening to weak-signal HF broadcast signals at 5 kHz (or less) channel spacing. Typically, one sideband will present significantly less interference than the other, providing intelligible copy that is unattainable

Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil PR781 Speech Processor or Pre-Amp?

2009-12-07 Thread Bill W5WVO
You probably have the AF GAIN parameter in CONFIG set to LOW (which I believe is the default). Set it to HIGH, and you should have plenty of audio from Heil mics, which tend to be a little on the low-output side. Bill W5WVO - Original Message - From: br...@brianlinn.com To:

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift/Width encoder pulse noise?

2009-12-07 Thread James Sarte
Odd... a few days have passed and not a single response to my query. I did some searching and noticed people have mentioned ticks or ticking when rotating the width knob, but I'm not sure if what I've described can be considered the same thing. Anyway, does anyone care to comment or should I

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Distorted Sound while using AM, now, speaking of AM..

2009-12-07 Thread K8TB
Speaking of AM. There is a group that runs a weekly AM net on 50.400 here in West Michigan. Almost all are using vintage tube gear, which is OK, but I would like to check in with the K3. Right now, all I have is the 2.7 KHz SSB filter, and I can listen to them, but these radios are many

Re: [Elecraft] OT--A Suggestion About Printers [END of thread]

2009-12-07 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Let's end the printer thread. 73, Eric Elecraft List Moderator __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Distorted Sound while using AM, now, speaking of AM..

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Ellington
Personally I would feel more at home with this bunch by just buying an old 6m tube rig like the Clegg 99er or Gonset Communicator. One could probably obtained for the same or less cost of a K3 filter. Steve N4LQ n...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: K8TB k...@bosscher.org To:

[Elecraft] K3 Questions posted

2009-12-07 Thread rfenabled
IMHO 1. I didn't think questions posted on the reflector HAD to be answered or commented on 2. When a touch of sarcasm is detected I for one, immediately reach for the Delete key But it is a lovely day and my construction is going well so the smile is firmly planted across my face, as rough

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift/Width encoder pulse noise?

2009-12-07 Thread Joe Planisky
Hi James, As far as the noise when you turn shift/width, yes, I hear it too. I assume it's the result of changing the DSP filter parameters. If done while it's processing a strong signal it seems there's bound to be some artifacts. I don't know if anything can be done to quiet them. I

Re: [Elecraft] K3: Shift/Width encoder pulse noise?

2009-12-07 Thread James Sarte
Hi Joe, Thanks for the reply. I don't think it's much of an issue either. Only reason I asked is I recently replaced front panels. I didn't know if I screwed something up during the transplant. I do not recall hearing the same ticking/pulse noise with the previous hardware. Good to know I'm

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Questions posted

2009-12-07 Thread James Sarte
Are you writing this in response to my encoder noise question? If so, what exactly was the point of this message? Too bad about not being able to handle a little sarcasm as well... Cheers, James K2QI -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net

Re: [Elecraft] [HAM] Windows 7 and LoTW

2009-12-07 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Mike and Dan, I finally got the Certificate Expired warning to see what you were talking about.  It appears to me to be generated by Microsoft Internet Explorer rather than anything at ARRL LOTW.  I have been getting such warnings when I try to download any software that did not give Microsoft

Re: [Elecraft] [HAM] Windows 7 and LoTW

2009-12-07 Thread WILLIS COOKE
I read the warning note and it is from Microsoft.  Apparently they have started blocking web sites that don't pay their certificate fees.  This is a bad omen in my view.  Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ From: WILLIS COOKE wrco...@yahoo.com To: AB3EN

Re: [Elecraft] [HAM] Windows 7 and LoTW

2009-12-07 Thread Iain MacDonnell - N6ML
What you're describing is completely separate from the LoTW certificate expiration problem, which has nothing to do with IE or Microsoft, and everything to do with ARRL and the TrustedQSL software (the LoTW issuing certification authority's certificate expired, and they apparently were unable to

Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil PR781 Speech Processor or Pre-Amp?

2009-12-07 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:36:52 -0700, Bill W5WVO w5...@cybermesa.net wrote: Bill please explain to me how the AF Gain changes the Mic input level to the TX. Did you mean to say Mic Gain? Tom, N5GE n...@n5ge.com K3 #806 with SUB RX, K3 #1055, PR6, XV144, XV432, KRC2, W1, 2 W2's and other small

Re: [Elecraft] [HAM] Windows 7 and LoTW

2009-12-07 Thread Craig WØLV
Yep no problem Craig WØLV AB3EN wrote: Has anyone been able to install a TQSL certificate under Windows 7? I have been trying to get the certificate request to function and ARRL folks have not been helpful. I get the should work...duh response. Looks like a security flaw in the TQSL

[Elecraft] K3 2 meter capability: internal K144XV or XV144 transverter?

2009-12-07 Thread Phil Hystad
What is the better solution for adding 2 meter capability to the K3, the new internal K144XV or the XV144 transverter. I see that the power output of the K144XV is 10 watts and that the power output of the transverter is about 20 to 25 watts. Let's assume I would want a 100 watt PA, does it

[Elecraft] K3 in diversity mode

2009-12-07 Thread Richard Zwirko
I received my new K3 a few days before the ARRL 160 Meter Contest. (Thanks to wife Phyllis, K1WSN for early Christmas/Birthday presents for the next 5+ years). I used it a few days earlier in the ARCI 160M QRP Sprint and in the ARRL 160M test, both in the diversity mode with a NE/SW Beverage on

Re: [Elecraft] K3 in diversity mode

2009-12-07 Thread Vic K2VCO
Richard Zwirko wrote: However, I kept having one minor annoyance. With the K3 in the diversity mode the VFO's are locked so they track the exact same frequency. More than a few times during the contest, when I used the RIT, I would accidentily bump the VFO-B knob. To get VFO-B back to the

Re: [Elecraft] [HAM] Windows 7 and LoTW

2009-12-07 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Guys, please drop the Elecraft list from this OT thread. Eric Elecraft List moderator WILLIS COOKE wrco...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike and Dan, I finally got the Certificate Expired warning to see what you were talking about.  It appears to me to be generated by Microsoft Internet Explorer rather

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Questions posted

2009-12-07 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Guys, Please take the personal comments off list. Eric Elecraft list moderator James Sarte k2qi@gmail.com wrote: Are you writing this in response to my encoder noise question? If so, what exactly was the point of this message? Too bad about not being able to handle a little sarcasm as

[Elecraft] [k3] NB Chirp

2009-12-07 Thread Wes Stewart
I worked and have since been listening to J79WE on 40m CW for some time. The wind is blowing about 40 mph so the power lines are acting up and I've been tweaking the noise blanker. While playing around I noted that his signal had developed some chirp. I thought that strange, since he was

Re: [Elecraft] [k3] NB Chirp

2009-12-07 Thread Vic K2VCO
Wes Stewart wrote: I worked and have since been listening to J79WE on 40m CW for some time. The wind is blowing about 40 mph so the power lines are acting up and I've been tweaking the noise blanker. While playing around I noted that his signal had developed some chirp. I thought

Re: [Elecraft] K3 with Heil PR781 Speech Processor or Pre-Amp?

2009-12-07 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:25:14 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote: I don't have any first hand experience with external speech processors and the K3, but with the controls available in the K3 itself - TXEQ, mic level, and compression, I wonder why anyone would want to use additional processing. I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 2 meter capability: internal K144XV or XV144 transverter?

2009-12-07 Thread AD6XY
It is really up to you but a 100W VHF amplifier should not need more than 10W of drive, typically much less. A 300W will amplifier perhaps need more drive. Of course the output will be cleaner if under run, so a 25W amplifier running 10W ought to be cleaner than when running 25W. You only really