Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC changes from SLOW to FAST on scan/stop transition

2010-04-03 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I have firmware 3.84 installed here. It's a beta. 73, Guy. On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 9:51 PM, David Windisch davi...@cinci.rr.com wrote: Hi, Trev: Fw release is 3.84, which is a beta.  Both of my K3's do this. Brgds, Dave, N3HE  - Original Message -  From: GW4IMC [via Elecraft]  

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC changes from SLOW to FAST on scan/stop transition

2010-04-02 Thread David Windisch
More specifics: Set vfo A to, eg, 14.000.00 Set vfo B to, eg, 14.050.00 Press AGC to set agc to S Press VM Dial desired memory number Press VM to store Press VM to load scan info Press VM to confirm Hold FREQ ENT to start scan Press MV to stop scan Press MV to re-load scan Press MV to confirm

[Elecraft] K3 AGC changes from SLOW to FAST on scan/stop transition

2010-04-01 Thread David Windisch
Sn28XX, F/w 3.84 but this syndrome has been an annoyance through releases back afaicr. Specifically, I set up memories 11-up to scan low 20-50 KHz of 160-10. Mode: CW/REV, and I set AGC to S and save with VM. Press MV, dial scan I want, press MV again, hold FREQ ENT for scan with audio on.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-05 Thread Hector Padron
There you go !! World top dxers are all switching to K3's.   AD4C     For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 --- On Fri, 2/5/10, Philippe Trottet trot...@unhcr.org wrote: From: Philippe Trottet trot...@unhcr.org Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-04 Thread Don Wilhelm
Wes, I agree that constant riding the RF Gain should not be necessary, But on any one band, reducing the RF Gain to the point where the atmospheric noise is not readily apparent does make a lot of sense to me. Set in that way, one does not have to listen to a lot of band noise and the AGC

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-04 Thread Julius Fazekas n2wn
There were at least a few of us running LP and QRP who did OK with our K3's : K1HTV, OH1VR/VP9, OK1FKD... and, at least, one future convert that I know about. Many of us little guns don't have the antenna advantages of the big boys, both the K2 and K3 have been great equalizers in the rough and

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-04 Thread Bill W4ZV
Julius Fazekas n2wn wrote: There were at least a few of us running LP and QRP who did OK with our K3's I wasn't trying to list every K3 in the contest...just those used in the Top Ten of the two most competitive categories (Multi Op High Power and Single Op High Power). If you want to

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-04 Thread Julius Fazekas n2wn
Bill, I would respectfully, and wholeheartedly, disagree with the most competitive categories remark... 73, Julius - Julius Fazekas N2WN Tennessee Contest Group http://www.k4ro.net/tcg/index.html Tennessee QSO Party http://www.tnqp.org/ Elecraft K2/100 #4455 Elecraft K3/100 #366

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-04 Thread N2TK, Tony
10:14 AM To: Wes Stewart Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion Wes, I agree that constant riding the RF Gain should not be necessary, But on any one band, reducing the RF Gain to the point where the atmospheric noise is not readily

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-04 Thread Paul - WW2PT
Interesting reading. I'm surprised none of these contesters got the memo about how big guns would never buy a K3 because it didn't have 200W or 1,000 knobs on the front panel. I guess they haven't used the K3 enough to see the inherent flaws... /snark ;-) Bill W4ZV wrote: If you want to

[Elecraft] K3 AGC settings

2010-02-04 Thread 2Cents
Many thanks to Don Wilhelm and Jim Brown for what amounts to a tutorial on using the K3 AGC settings given over the past few days. I found the discussion very helpful and effective, and was enabled to attack my settings purposefully, rather that using a shotgun, shoot in the dark approach. Now,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-04 Thread Alan Bloom
Bill W4ZV wrote: If you want to see more detail of all K3s in the contest, I posted how to do that below: http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg90719.html This one was my favorite: I'm asking Elecraft if they'll make an option for a Clix generator for the K3.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-04 Thread Hector Padron
out why they did this.   AD4C   For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3 --- On Thu, 2/4/10, Paul - WW2PT ww...@arrl.net wrote: From: Paul - WW2PT ww...@arrl.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Thursday, February

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-04 Thread Philippe Trottet
Hi Paul, ON4UN, one of the masters of low bands sold out his 2 x Orions almost two years ago, replaced by 2 x K3's !! It convincing me definitively to move from my Icom limousine to the K3 Indycar ! Thanks to him, great rig and top after sale service. I'm proud today to be a Elecrafter Bst

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Julian, G4ILO
I think you are wrong that this is not related to AGC Threshold. However, if THR = 8 is not enough to raise the level of the threshold above the noise you probably won't see a difference. The noise will still modulate the AGC which makes the radio seem noisier, and weak signals will be reduced by

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread paulb
Hello folks Just to follow up on this thread...listening to quite strong CW sigs with Slow AGC setting is not too flash. I would guess sigs over 75 uV or so which is well into the 9+ region. It is hard to exactly describe but sounds like the Hardware AGC loop is pumping. It is fine on SSB or

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Hello Paul, Do you hear any raspy sound when listening to quite strong CW sigs - not the sound of real band or thermal noise, but more like the sound of paper being torn? I should not be asking as I do not own a K3, but curiousity is killing this cat! 73, Geoff GM4ESD paulb

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Lance Wilson
Julian, You could be right and I did not express myself well in my post. When I said that the AGC threshold was ineffectual I did mean between THR = 2 and 8. Perhaps a solution would be to do as you suggest (with a few others) and simply raise the available threshold settings in the CONFIG menu

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Bill W4ZV
Grant Youngman N5QT wrote: Oh, good lord. This is ridiculous. The noise was so bad on my K3 i had to go back to my S-38C with external Q-multiplier just to work the contest ... and on and on. With no personal affronts intended, perhaps just learning to use the radio would help.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Bill W4ZV
Bill W4ZV wrote: The following links are also good learning resources with multiple links/pages in each: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3FAQ.htm http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_operating_tips.htm http://n1eu.com/ (click K3 link to the left)

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Hi Lance, Indeed, activating the attenuator does improve the situation quite a bit but as I operate 20M and above for the most part I do not want to operate the K3 with ATT on all of the time. I was going to ask. Assuming that no ATT is not a religious thing, and engaging ATT works, why NOT

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Alan Bloom
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 17:41 -0500, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: ... When the new N carrier systems came out and were being deployed, the engineers were proud that they had created a quiet system (they had) and would ease customer complaints about noise on the line. The telephone company was

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Grant Youngman
The same thing was done during the transition from mechanical analog switching to electronic analog matrix and digital switching. All the clunks and thunks that marked the progress of call connection largely disappeared with electronic analog and digital switches. So the switch vendors added

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Rick Dettinger
I think you just did:-) 73, Rick K7MW I won't even mention RTFM for fear of having to dodge bricks. mode off. 73, Guy. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Lyle Johnson
20m ambient noise here on my C31XR at 76 feet is around 1 uV here for SSB bandwidths, which IS engaging the AGC because it is S3. Use ATT before you reduce RF gain, as it provides the best headroom in the overall circuit. With an MDS around -136 dBm and 1 uV being -107 dBm, the noise is

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread NZ0T
All I can say is that I love my K3 but maybe that's because I use it to operate on the bands instead of performing all kinds of nit picking tests on noise, AGC, NB and whatever else I can think of. But maybe that's just me. 73 Bill NZ0T -- View this message in context:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Don Wilhelm
Lance, The ATTenuator and Preamp settings are remembered per band. So you can have it on for one band and off for another - no constant button pushing. 73, Don W3FPR Lance Wilson wrote: Indeed, activating the attenuator does improve the situation quite a bit but as I operate 20M and above

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-03 Thread Wes Stewart
Rob and I are in agreement on the AGC thing.  I believe Wayne has said much the same. When high-end receivers had two pentode -r-f stages driving a pentagrid mixer and barn door selectivity, it made sense to reduce the r-f gain. IMHO, riding the r-f gain control (really i-f gain in the K3) in

[Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-02 Thread Lance Wilson
I have started a new thread on this as there are multiple threads that are difficult to keep track of. Today a number of other hams have also reported noise, signal distortion and other noise and signal issues that are a bit on the strange. The discussion has been sidetracked by confusion on

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-02 Thread Grant Youngman
Oh, good lord. This is ridiculous. The noise was so bad on my K3 i had to go back to my S-38C with external Q-multiplier just to work the contest ... and on and on. With no personal affronts intended, perhaps just learning to use the radio would help. Grant/NQ5T On Feb 2, 2010, at 7:20

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC and Apparent Noise and Signal Distortion

2010-02-02 Thread Lance Wilson
I don't remember insulting anyone on this and I do know how to use my K3. if you have something positive to contribute then please do so but spurious comments do not help the issue. I have a problem with the AGC action in my K3. If yours is fine then good for you. -- View this message in

[Elecraft] K3 AGC usage question

2010-01-10 Thread Mike
When I turn the AGC off, my audio sounds like the speaker cone is torn, either the external speakers or phones. It's very difficult to describe. I made a .wav file using Windows recorder, with the mic held in front to my external speakers. It's a CW signal, with the 250Hz roofing filter. It

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC usage question

2010-01-10 Thread Lyle Johnson
Mike wrote: When I turn the AGC off, my audio sounds like the speaker cone is torn, either the external speakers or phones. It's very difficult to describe. CONFIG: AF LIM is used to hard limit the audio level so you don't get blasted by a strong signal when you have the gain cranked up to

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC usage question

2010-01-10 Thread Mike
AF LIM is set to 12. Shouldn't that be enough? I wouldn't characterize the signal as strong. It doesn't make any difference what the AF gain is, as long as it's loud enough to hear. Even the beep when I turn AGC back on is raspy. I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to get a handle

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC usage question

2010-01-10 Thread Mike
...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: Mike n...@nf4l.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AGC usage question When I turn the AGC off, my audio sounds like the speaker cone is torn, either the external speakers or phones. It's

[Elecraft] [K3] AGC settings

2009-12-18 Thread William Evans
FWIW: What I use on AGC varies from day to day and with varying conditions. Right now my params are: AGC DCY: Soft AGC HLD: 0.73 AGC PLS: nor AGC SLP: 014 AGC THR: 004 AGC - F: 140 AGC - S: 026 other params: L - Mix - R: Ab b AF LIM: 025 AF GAIN: LO RX EQ: 1 : +3

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment

2009-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ken, Answer 1: The slope number refers to the AGC action, and that is the inverse of the audio response. If charts are helpful to you, Jack Smith has measured and plotted the AGC response for the K3 - see http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/elecraft_k3_agc_and_s-meter.htm#AGC_SLP_and_AGC_THR

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment

2009-12-09 Thread drewko
I also wondered about that. The slope of a line (the ratio of vertical to horizontal displacement) is flatter for lower values. But in the K3 a smaller SLP value means a steeper AGC curve (the AF output changes more for a given change in RF signal). SLP=0 really means least AGC action, not

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment

2009-12-09 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
That certainly helps me a lot, I have been struggling with K3 AGC settings and this helps a lot, I don't remember seeing this posted before. So thanks to Don for posting the link and many, many thanks to Jack for making it clearer. I just need to read that a few more times now. 73 de M0XDF,

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment

2009-12-09 Thread Olli Tuppurainen
-Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] Puolesta David Ferrington, M0XDF Lähetetty: 9. joulukuuta 2009 17:53 Vastaanottaja: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Aihe: Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment That certainly helps me a lot, I

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment

2009-12-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Olli, I don't think it is so difficult that one needs AGC for dummies. If you want every signal to have about the same audio level, then set the slope to a higher number, but if you want to hear that a strong signal is louder than a weaker signal by ear (without looking at the S-meter), then

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment

2009-12-09 Thread Doug Turnbull
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Ferrington, M0XDF Sent: 09 December 2009 15:53 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment That certainly helps me a lot, I have been struggling with K3 AGC settings and this helps a lot, I don't remember seeing

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment

2009-12-09 Thread Fred Jensen
Don Wilhelm wrote: I don't think it is so difficult that one needs AGC for dummies. If you want every signal to have about the same audio level, then set the slope to a higher number, but if you want to hear that a strong signal is louder than a weaker signal by ear (without looking at

[Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment

2009-12-08 Thread Kenneth Waites
Question 1: AGC SLP: The manual reads wrong to me in the discussion pp 53.  Wouldn't a slope of zero keep signals from going up in volume more so than a slope of 10?  I think of a higher slope meaning faster audio increase as signals get stronger.   Question 2:  Under what conditions do you

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment

2009-12-08 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
- Not Perfect 73 Arie PA3A -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] Namens Kenneth Waites Verzonden: woensdag 9 december 2009 6:37 Aan: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: [Elecraft] K3: AGC Adjustment Question 1: AGC SLP

[Elecraft] K3: AGC turns itself off while in config menu

2009-11-12 Thread Julian, G4ILO
I was adjusting the LIN OUT level while running CW Skimmer this morning and the volume from the K3 suddenly went very loud. When I checked, I found that the AGC had been disabled. Upon investigation there appears to be an issue with software polling the K3 while in the menu. I can almost

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC turns itself off while in config menu

2009-11-12 Thread Wayne Burdick
Julian, G4ILO wrote: I was adjusting the LIN OUT level while running CW Skimmer this morning and the volume from the K3 suddenly went very loud. When I checked, I found that the AGC had been disabled. Upon investigation there appears to be an issue with software polling the K3

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC turns itself off while in config menu

2009-11-12 Thread Julian Moss
I thought I got this to happen once with CW Skimmer running on its own. But I have left it running for quite a time now without a repeat of the problem. On 12/11/2009, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: I have not been able to duplicate this. It's possible that one of the PC applications

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC turns itself off while in config menu

2009-11-12 Thread Gordan Hribar
Yes, I have noticed the same here,,   73, e72x --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC turns itself off while in config menu To: Julian, G4ILO julian.g4...@gmail.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date

[Elecraft] K3 AGC changes not working on main receiver, 3.03, 2.10

2009-03-19 Thread Mike Scott
I have the new firmware 3.03 with DSP 2.10 I am trying to adjust AGC parameters while in diversity receive mode, CW AGC-F. When I adjust AGC THR the sub receiver (left speaker in my set up) obviously changes loudness (8 is maximum background noise, 2 is minimum), the main receiver has no change

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC changes not working on main receiver, 3.03, 2.10

2009-03-19 Thread wayne burdick
Mike, there's an AGC problem with DSP rev 2.10 that we didn't catch. For now, set AGC DCY to SOFT. We hope to resolve this quickly. tnx Wayne N6KR On Mar 19, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Mike Scott wrote: I have the new firmware 3.03 with DSP 2.10 I am trying to adjust AGC parameters while in

[Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2009-03-06 Thread W2XB
Hello Folks, Just talking to a friend that has a K3 also and he was asking why the signal gets louder with less noise when you turn off the AGC ? I turned off tha agc when working a weak DX station, and he was right. Made the copy easier and much louder. What is the technical reason for this?

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2009-03-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W2XB Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:43 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC Hello Folks, Just talking to a friend that has a K3 also and he was asking why the signal gets

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2009-03-06 Thread W2XB
- -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@... [mailto:elecraft-boun...@...] On Behalf Of W2XB Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:43 AM To: elecr...@... Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC Hello Folks, Just talking to a friend that has a K3 also and he was asking why the signal gets

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2009-03-06 Thread Ron NA9F
Don thanks for the following info. These settings really gets rid of the noise and signals are there. I changed my settings. Ron NA9F Don's stated AGC settings: AGC PLS off AGC SLP 002 AGC THR 008 AGC-F 140 AGC-S 010 I like my K3 AGC now - weak signals sound weaker than strong ones and the

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2009-03-06 Thread Ralph Tyrrell
Don: Your setting are so different from mine. I tried yours, and now I have a brand new K3. Thank you. 73, W1TF, K3 #696 , K1 # 1423, gets used once in a while. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3

[Elecraft] K3 AGC hold, initial comments on beta v2.98

2009-03-02 Thread Mike Scott
I live in a noisy environment (typical S-7) and have in the past complained about K3 audio. I was never sure what was going on but it just sounded rough and unpleasant. The hardware audio modifications I think helped a little and most certainly cleaned up the line-out IMD. Mostly I operate CW

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC hold, initial comments on beta v2.98

2009-03-02 Thread W7TEA
I have lots of noise as well and use a 80m vertically polarized loop. (The best nearly invisible antenna I could manage and keep the CCnR cops at bay.) Not being a contester and compete in the CW pile ups only when I'm one of a few, I've found Slow AGC at the fastest setting (40) to work the

[Elecraft] PDF Version of Elecraft K3 AGC and S-Meter Web Page

2009-01-13 Thread Jack Smith
I've had several requests for a printable or PDF copy of my web page on the K3's AGC and S-Meter. I've taken the text from the page and updated the graphics with higher resolution versions (and also added a replacement computer-drawn version (supplied by Tom, N0SS) of my hand sketched image)

[Elecraft] K3: AGC misbehaving

2009-01-10 Thread Ralph Parker
While listening casually to the NA contest today, I noticed that the AGC was behaving thusly: In CW mode, the ACG is set to 'SLOW' (I prefer it that way). Firmware 2.72. When receiving a relatively strong signal, the AGC seemed to be in 'FAST' mode for the first 1-2 seconds, then in 'SLOW' mode

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC misbehaving

2009-01-10 Thread Barry Simpson
Hi Ralph and Elecrafters I believe I am experiencing the same issue as you as regards slow AGC. What happens with a strong CW station is that the s meter peaks then falls away rapidly for the first few characters before settling down. Is this what you are experiencing Ralph ? Barry Simpson

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC misbehaving

2009-01-10 Thread John A. McCabe
You may want to try setting AGC PLS=OFF. I notice the same thing when this setting is on. With this setting on, It appears to me that the AGC pulse rejection will cause the AGC to react too quickly on some CW elements . 73, John, KD8K Ralph Parker wrote: While listening casually to the NA

[Elecraft] [K3] AGC THR and noise

2008-12-02 Thread Steven . Zabarnick
I'm somewhat puzzled by the behavior of the AGC THR adjustment with respect to band noise. My understanding is that the AGC THR setting adjusts the level at which the AGC is activated. Thus, I would expect when listening to band noise (QRN) that if the noise is activating the AGC, using a higher

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC THR and noise

2008-12-02 Thread Don Wilhelm
Steve, Yes, I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but if you establish the right frame of mind, it does become clear. You might want to consider that the audio level from the K3 is what is heard after the AGC is applied. If you set the threshold so low that the band noise activates the AGC,

[Elecraft] K3 AGC adjustment and ear recovery time

2008-11-09 Thread ni0c
The lowband season is well underway, and I'm really enjoying it with my new K3. I'm enjoying the low pitch CW capability (my current setting is 320 Hz), and the 400 Hz 8-pole roofing filter that I use most of the time. In my rather noisy inner suburban location, I'm using both the noise

[Elecraft] K3 AGC behaviour, in particular for pulse noise

2008-09-27 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
All, I would like to share the following experience on the AGC settings of the K3. Situation at my QTH: There is an electric fence nearby my home that gives a pulse type of noise. The K3 handled that pretty well with the AGC PLS setting to ON. Switching the AGC PLS to OFF gave me a lot of

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC behaviour, in particular for pulse noise

2008-09-27 Thread Geoffrey Downs
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 AGC behaviour, in particular for pulse noise All, I would like to share the following experience on the AGC settings of the K3. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC is better now

2008-09-23 Thread Val
Can anyone recommend the best menu setting for max discrimination among many callers at same time? Start with Config menu: AGC SLP= 005 and then experiment with different values. The lower the value (down to 0), the louder the stronger signals will be. If you go too low, you risk

[Elecraft] K3 AGC is better now

2008-09-21 Thread Barry N1EU
Can anyone recommend the best menu setting for max discrimination among many callers at same time? Start with Config menu: AGC SLP= 005 and then experiment with different values. The lower the value (down to 0), the louder the stronger signals will be. If you go too low, you risk overdriving

[Elecraft] K3 AGC is better now

2008-09-20 Thread Charles Harpole
My K3 is back from factory and the AGC now works better at handling pile ups where many callers formerly were reduced to the same audio level. Now, it is easier to pick out calls among many callers. Not absolutely great, but better. Can anyone recommend the best menu setting for

[Elecraft] K3 AGC and IF Output Data

2008-08-17 Thread Jack Smith
My K3 arrived Wednesday (SN 1378, assembled with 100W and 2nd receiver option, ordered in late May 2007 and held until the 2nd receiver was available, for those who keep track of such things.) I've had a chance to look at a couple of items and have written two new web pages with the results

[Elecraft] K3 AGC and IF Output Data

2008-08-17 Thread Merle Bone
Jack, Thanks very much for the data on the K3 AGC Slope and Threshold. It is really helpful to see the hard data on the performance of such important radio characteristics. I wish all manufacturers would provide that kind of data on their rigs and update it when new firmware is released. It

[Elecraft] K3 AGC remarks de W8JI

2008-08-09 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Tom said, [snip] Although I just started using the K3, I really like the AGC system so far. That's in contrast to other digital AGC systems I quickly learned to *dislike*. Low band DXers or contesting people will really like the slope adjustment feature. 73 Tom [end snip] Wow...coming from Tom,

[Elecraft] K3 AGC Settings Tutorial

2008-08-08 Thread Lyle Johnson
BACKGROUND There has been a lot of confusion about AGC in the K3. Some of it is AGC related, some of it is AGC interaction with noise reduction (NR). A later email will address the noise reduction issue. For now, let';s look at the AGC apart from NR. --- WHY DID THE AGC CHANGE? WHen we

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Settings Tutorial

2008-08-08 Thread AD6XY
Thanks for the explanation. As you say, noise levels differ between bands and over time E.g. 80m in Summer compared to Winter or HF versus 50MHz and higher bands via a transverter. Does the AGC setting apply per band or does it cover all bands? AGC also depends on mode, CW vs SSB bandwidths.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Settings Tutorial

2008-08-08 Thread Lyle Johnson
Thanks for the explanation. As you say, noise levels differ between bands and over time E.g. 80m in Summer compared to Winter or HF versus 50MHz and higher bands via a transverter. Does the AGC setting apply per band or does it cover all bands? AGC is AGC. It is not per band, it is per radio

RE: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Settings Tutorial

2008-08-08 Thread 4CX250B
* AGC is AGC. It is not per band, it is per radio :-) I do not know of a radio with per band AGC settings, or per season. Most radios don't let you adjust the threshold or slope -- or the decay rate of FAST and SLOW. With the K3 we allow you to tailor the AGC; we

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC Settings Tutorial

2008-08-08 Thread Tom W8JI
It is true that the AGC pertains to the radio and not the band, but the optimal AGC threshold setting does vary by band. On 80m, for example, I set the AGC threshold on my Ten-Tec Orion at about 20uV. On 10m, where the noise level is very low, I set it at 0.5uV. The Orion, incidentally, has

[Elecraft] [K3] AGC and all that

2008-08-07 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
With the changes to AGC in latest firmware and all the discussions on here, I feel this 'newbie' is loosing it! Would someone care to post a prasie of how the AGC works and how K3 config settings affect it? If this is of value, I'll put it on the Wiki. Alternatively, just put it on the Wiki

[Elecraft] [K3] AGC Settings and DSP 1.87

2008-07-23 Thread Lyle Johnson
DSP firmware 1.87 corrects two AGC problems occasionally resulting in complaints of unexpectedly loud signals in an operator's headphones. The first lowers the AGC threshold. It was inadvertently raised sometime after release 1.47. It is now back to its original range. The second corrects

[Elecraft] K3 AGC settings

2008-07-08 Thread cloud runner
What can be done with the AGC is simply marvelous. I have put the THR and the SLP on the PF buttons for now. BUT... I can adjust these settings easily now for the band condition and the signal I am listening to. However, I don't necessarily have a good feel at all for what I have actually

[Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-07-07 Thread S Sacco
OK, now that I'm slowly getting my station rebuild to the point where I'm operating my K3 on a regular basis, I'm noticing that the AGC seems to be kind of sub-optimal. There are large differences in audio volume when receiving different strength signals. I have not been directly comparing the

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-07-07 Thread Bob Cunnings
Have you tried adjusting the CONFIG:AGC SLP parameter? I've set mine to the maximum value, 15, for flattest AGC slope. Bob NW8L On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:13 AM, S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, now that I'm slowly getting my station rebuild to the point where I'm operating my K3 on a

RE: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-07-07 Thread Bud Semon N7CW
: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:18 AM To: S Sacco Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC Have you tried adjusting the CONFIG:AGC SLP parameter? I've set mine to the maximum value, 15, for flattest AGC slope. Bob NW8L On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:13 AM, S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, now

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-07-07 Thread Jim Cox
: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC I have the CONFIG: AGC SLP parameter set to 15 also and I think it is not aggressive enough - that is, the volume difference is too large between weak and strong signals. 73, Bud N7CW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-07-07 Thread Lyle Johnson
... There are large differences in audio volume when receiving different strength signals. There are two AGC parameters that should help. 1) AGC THR This sets the signal strength which must occur before AGC is activated. It is defaulted to the several microvolts range. If you are

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-07-07 Thread Lyle Johnson
CONFIG:AGC THR 001 (default is 5) Sorry, I just checked and I see 002 is the lowest allowed value in the present firmware release. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-07-07 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:26 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC I have the CONFIG: AGC SLP parameter set to 15 also and I think it is not aggressive enough - that is, the volume difference is too large between weak and strong signals. 73, Bud N7CW [snip] At the setting

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-07-07 Thread Lyle Johnson
I have the CONFIG: AGC SLP parameter set to 15 also and I think it is not aggressive enough - that is, the volume difference is too large between weak and strong signals. I just measured it. From a signal at the AGC threshold (-104 dBm if AGC THR is set to 005) to a signal 100 dB stronger,

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-07-07 Thread S Sacco
Thanks, Lyle - I've made those changes, and will see how they work. Appreciate the help!! 73, Steve NN4X On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... There are large differences in audio volume when receiving different strength signals. There are two AGC

RE: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-07-07 Thread Darwin, Keith
Steve, please report back with the results of your change. I have my AGC slope set to 3 or 4 IIRC. Anything more than that and the rig just sounds flat with noise signals all being the same level, just like all the rigs that I've owned before. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -Original

[Elecraft] K3 AGC - making it like the K2?

2008-07-07 Thread Darwin, Keith
Ok settings gurus, What values of K3 AGC parameters will make the K3 most closely mimic the AGC in the K2? - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC - making it like the K2?

2008-07-07 Thread Val
Ok settings gurus, What values of K3 AGC parameters will make the K3 most closely mimic the AGC in the K2? - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - Well, my choice is high threshold, steep slope and low AF gain! AGC THR 8 AGC SLP 4 73' Val, LZ1VB K3 516 K2 2745

Re: [Elecraft] K3 AGC - making it like the K2?

2008-07-07 Thread Bill W4ZV
Val-LZ1VB wrote: Well, my choice is high threshold, steep slope and low AF gain! AGC THR 8 AGC SLP 4 Sounds about right Val! See the K2 AGC curve here about 2/3 of the way down the page: http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/receiver_agc_curves.htm 73, Bill -- View this message in

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC

2008-05-27 Thread Alexandr Kobranov
Stan, it is very useful to program AGC slope settings to PF1 or PF2 key to have instant access from panel by one key to this setting. (I have AGC slope assigned to PF1 and TECH mode ON to PF2) 73! Lexa, ok1dst K3/10 #727 Stan Rife napsal(a): Thanks, I appreciate the help. I guess I have

[Elecraft] K3: AGC mod

2008-03-30 Thread a.yoshida
Hello I am one of happy K3 users. S/N 00060 I found annoying AGC action when operating CW with 2.8KHz filter even if I configure AGC THR in config menu to highest value. Can we expect more improvement with AGC mod ? I have already ordered CW rise time mod kit and AGC mod kit though. -- 73 de

[Elecraft] K3: AGC mod

2008-03-30 Thread Don Rasmussen
as if AGC THR is even lower than the lowest available setup parameter, which I will be looking for in the next firmware update. This is all very low priority for me however because the K3 is already better than anything I have ever tried before. ;-) [Elecraft] K3: AGC mod a.yoshida ayoshida

Re: [Elecraft] K3: AGC mod

2008-03-30 Thread a.yoshida
available setup parameter, which I will be looking for in the next firmware update. This is all very low priority for me however because the K3 is already better than anything I have ever tried before. ;-) [Elecraft] K3: AGC mod a.yoshida ayoshida at my.email.ne.jp Sun Mar 30 07:59:38 EST 2008

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC Information Please - Curious

2008-03-13 Thread Vic K2VCO
Lyle Johnson wrote: AGC SLP (Slope?) This allows you to change the flatness of the AGC. Some people like ift flat (very strong signals and moderately weak signals all have the same loudness). Others prefer that stronger signals drive the audio level alittle harder than weaker signals.

Re: [Elecraft] [K3] AGC Information Please - Curious

2008-03-13 Thread Barry N1EU
Vic K2VCO wrote: I reduced THR because I do not want *any* AGC action on the weakest signals. Shouldn't you be increasing THR if you don't want AGC action on weakest signals, i.e. raising the threshold for the onset of AGC action and not amplifying the weakest signals through AGC action?

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