Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-25 Thread Mark Goldberg
I found this site: https://engineerdog.com/2015/01/11/10-tricks-engineers-need-to-know-about-fasteners/ They suggest that studies show lockwashers are ineffective, but then go on to reference other studies that show they are. I guess is all comes down to that common answer in engineering: "It de

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-25 Thread Matt NQ6N
I have had this issue with my KX2 paddle and have two observations: On my paddle, the screw that is meant to hold the standoff to the plastic body will actually screw tightly into the plastic body *without* the standoff. When this happens, additional torque applied with a screwdriver has no effec

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-25 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It's useful to remember that a screw (or bolt) is a spring. When tightened it stretches lengthwise. Like any spring, it offers the best "grip" when subjected to the right range of pressure. Way back in my High School days (1950's - before Mercury was a toxic substance) I watched a demonstration u

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-25 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
As I learned from my previous manufacturing experience and knowledge, a threaded fastener, a.k.a. screw, has a specific torque value which should be applied to make it secure. The value depends on the screw design, flat head, binder head, round head, undercut, pan head, etc. The only way t

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-25 Thread Dave Belville
Hi Tom, First let me say that I am not trying to argue with you or correct you. I just want to share what little bit of knowledge I have. In my many years as a master mechanic in the heavy duty truck industry, I can tell you without reservation that unless you use physical force (screwdriver, etc

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-25 Thread Tom Francis, W1TEF
The point should be that a "drop of LocTite" isn't going to fix the problem over time. You should not have to modify a product immediately out of the box because of a lousy design. Best regards, Tom, W1TEF Lexington, SC On 7/24/2017 6:22 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote: This is the response I r

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-24 Thread John Oppenheimer
This is the response I received from Elecraft support: On 06/27/2017 01:34 PM, Elecraft Support wrote: > To your question, yes, we are now using a drop of Locktite Blue (not > Red) on the threads for the 2 screws that hold the round contacts in > place. John KN5L On 07/24/2017 10:45 AM, KENT TRI

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-24 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Elecraft; w4sc Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue Loctite 425 appears to be the only one they recommend for metal to plastic. It is Cyanoacrylate based. It may not be that much different from the plain old CA glue you used, except it is a pretty Loctite blue! http://www.na.henke

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-24 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
t they are easily removed when needed. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Josh Fiden Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:20 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle i

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-24 Thread Mark Goldberg
t; [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Goldberg > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:09 AM > To: w4sc > Cc: Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue > > There are many different Loctites of each color. Exactly what has worked > f

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-24 Thread Tom Francis, W1TEF
Kent and Wayne, I have not had any success with Loc-Tite. This is strictly an engineering issue - the screws are too short to produce enough torque to hold the contact posts in place - its as simple as that. Longer screws help, but again, the length of the contact posts and small diameter of

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-24 Thread Josh Fiden
There are something like 40 different formulations of Loctite Threadlocker. It's a great product *if* you select the correct one for your application. The wrong one can be a disaster. 73, Josh W6XU On 7/24/2017 12:48 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Perhaps Loctite has changed the formula __

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-24 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
p on the end of the screw where it exits are all that is needed. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Goldberg Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:09 AM To: w4sc Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-24 Thread Mark Goldberg
There are many different Loctites of each color. Exactly what has worked for you? I have settled on Blue Loctite 243 for it's improved temperature range, better compatibility with Stainless Steel hardware and oil resistance. 73, Mark W7MLG On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:05 AM, w4sc wrote: > You ma

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-24 Thread w4sc
You may want to reconsider using Loctite Red (or Blue), the highest strengths. If you ever want to disassemble that part of the XDP2, it may take heat and excessive force to loosen. Loctite Purple is probably more than adequate for the securing of the posts. A tiny dab of Purple on the end of

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

2017-07-24 Thread KENT TRIMBLE
The issue is not that the paddles don't leave the factory fully tested and operational, but that the stand-offs (E700348) loosen after a period of time from normal use. As posted by several of us previously, the fix is simply to place a small dab of Loctite Blue on the threads of the two flath