[Elecraft] Band Button Gripe

2008-07-26 Thread Don Rasmussen
>> Now where is my KRX3? When I receive it I can drop off this infuriating Zoo. That's where I agree with you Mike. I started this thread by suggesting a new setup option for band buttons, a new enhancement that would detract from no existing features. I expected at most "not necessary" by th

Re: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe

2008-07-25 Thread Brett Howard
These ideas make much more sense than trying to remap front panel buttons. I think the field testers did a great job of defining how the ergonomics are to flow. ~Brett On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 20:43 -0700, Lee Buller wrote: > Idea > > Why not make an additional set of control buttons and use

Re: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe

2008-07-25 Thread Lee Buller
Idea Why not make an additional set of control buttons and use the "secret" connector on the bottom right side of the K3. Just a small panel that would fit under the K3 and would give you numerous programmable buttons. Then, you could set up the button on the little add on panel. Or, fo

Re: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?

2008-07-25 Thread Brett Howard
Or you can just use an up/down and get done the working up the bands and scanning with the dial... Hell our forefathers had to tune up for quite some time to change bands. Now we've reached the point where using and up/down button set is too slow for us. Then god forbid we actually have to engage

[Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?

2008-07-25 Thread Don Rasmussen
>>>Just what is "the big deal" about pushing a single button instead of pushing two buttons in sequence to get to the band and mode you want? <<< Hey Doug - You hit the nail on the head, contestors have the optimal solution with the stock K3. But "modest stations", what I'll call condo class or di

[Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?

2008-07-25 Thread Don Rasmussen
that the M1-M4 could be mapped to 80m 40m 20m and 10m and a single press of the REC button would display briefly "WARC" on the display and then M1-M4 would be 60m 30m 17m and 12m. But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's about how the designers want us to

Re: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?

2008-07-25 Thread Nick-WA5BDU
And take away my CW memory buttons? That's madness! I've got more band changing methods than I can keep track of already. 73- Nick, WA5BDU Don Rasmussen wrote: It still sticks in my craw that I have 5 single press buttons on the front panel that I'll never use. Elecraft - please make the

[Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?

2008-07-25 Thread Don Rasmussen
Drew - as I see it (past owner of OMNI VI+ and IC756Pro) there is simply no substitute for single button press band changes. It's a big deal. YMMV. [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3? drewko1 at verizon.net drewko1 at verizon.net Fri Jul 25 21:54:09 EDT 2008 Don, h

Re: [Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?

2008-07-25 Thread drewko1
Don, here's another idea... Right now, the RIT knob has the option of being used as a coarse VFO tuner when RIT and XIT are off. Perhaps people would like the option of using it as a band switch instead? (I am pretty happy with the numeric keypad system myself.) 73, Drew AF2Z On Fri, 25 Jul 2

[Elecraft] Band Button gripe - was ON4UN has a K3?

2008-07-25 Thread Don Rasmussen
It still sticks in my craw that I have 5 single press buttons on the front panel that I'll never use. Elecraft - please make these available for use as single press BAND buttons. M1 M2 M3 M4 REC 80 40 20 15 10 That way we get into the ballpark with a single press and can band up or ban

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread David Yarnes
July 06, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button In a message dated 7/6/08 2:36:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What does "top band" mean? 160 meters (1.8 to 2.0 MHz) The name derives from the time when we thought primarily in terms of wavelength.

Re: [Elecraft] Band button [END of Thread]

2008-07-06 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
This one has been beaten into submission. Time to end the thread. Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator _..._ -Original Message- From: Ian White GM3SEK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, Jul 6, 2008 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ian White GM3SEK &

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
N2EY wrote: 160 is the longest wave hams can use, hence it's the top band. That's right - keep pressing BAND ^ and there it is, just above 50MHz. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mail

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Bob
I think the most practical unit of measure is the "chain". It is perfect in that 20 would be 1 and then the bands are up or down from there. Also makes laying out antennas in the yard very easy. 73, Bob K2TK Vic K2VCO wrote: Don Wilhelm wrote: For those who will now want to add cycles p

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Mike Harris
G'day, | 160 is the longest wave hams can use, hence it's the top band. | | 73 de Jim, N2EY 137kHz = 2188 metres Regards, Mike VP8NO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 7/6/08 2:36:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What does "top band" mean? > 160 meters (1.8 to 2.0 MHz) The name derives from the time when we thought primarily in terms of wavelength. Going to a longer wave was going "up" and to a shorter wave was "

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
Bzzt. What does "top band" mean? 73, doug Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:30:58 -0700 (PDT) From: AD6XY - Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think there is a misunderstanding of the meaning of the word "Band". The higher bands for example refer to the bands in terms of frequency. The 20m ban

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread AD6XY - Mike
I think there is a misunderstanding of the meaning of the word "Band". The higher bands for example refer to the bands in terms of frequency. The 20m band is in terms of wavelength. However, no bands are officially described in terms of wavelength any more. Not since 150m and down! Look at all b

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
No credit for me on that one George - Lyle was the first to recognize the units. 73, Don W3FPR George Victor wrote: Heinrich Hertz would be proud ! You have to credit Don for his new term for cpf - perhaps wm? Lets all meet on 8.515584e12 wm for some QRP CW. So do I push the button UP or DOWN?

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread George Victor
Heinrich Hertz would be proud ! You have to credit Don for his new term for cpf - perhaps wm? Lets all meet on 8.515584e12 wm for some QRP CW. So do I push the button UP or DOWN? :-) On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Vic K2VCO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vic K2VCO wrote: >> >> Don Wilhelm wrote: >>

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Vic K2VCO
Vic K2VCO wrote: Don Wilhelm wrote: For those who will now want to add cycles per fortnight to their conversion tables: 1 Hz = 1,209,600 cycles per fortnight. I just thought you would want to know - I had a moment of leisure this morning and did the calculation on paper :-) Funny, the firs

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Vic K2VCO
Don Wilhelm wrote: For those who will now want to add cycles per fortnight to their conversion tables: 1 Hz = 1,209,600 cycles per fortnight. I just thought you would want to know - I had a moment of leisure this morning and did the calculation on paper :-) Funny, the first thing I did when

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
For those who will now want to add cycles per fortnight to their conversion tables: 1 Hz = 1,209,600 cycles per fortnight. I just thought you would want to know - I had a moment of leisure this morning and did the calculation on paper :-) 73, Don W3FPR Lyle Johnson wrote: For those who pref

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Jim N2EY wrote: Even odder, FCC refers to 3.5-3.6 MHz as "80 meters" and 3.6-4.0 MHz as "75 meters" as if they were not right next to each other. I am not making this up. When I first heard about it, I thought my leg was being pulled, so I went and checked. Tradition in Region 2 was that "80

Re: [Elecraft] Band button - way OT

2008-07-06 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
The Romans didn't even have the concept of zero - it was introduced from Messopitainia (spelling?) after their fall, if I remember correctly. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174.0 -- I never did a day's work in my life; it was all fun. -Thomas Edison Did the Romans have a decimal point? __

Re: Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Fred Jensen
Lyle Johnson wrote: > My vote is for the VFO displays to be in wavelength (YARDS, FEET and INCHES) with an option for frequency in ROMAN NUMERALS! Only the VFO B can display in roman numerals. We can't do M, V or X in VFO A. And we'll use furlongs for wavelength. The audible feedb

[Elecraft] Band Button

2008-07-06 Thread Tom Boucher
Thanks all for a good laugh this Sunday morning on the subject of frequency/wavelength units! 73 Tom G3OLB (patiently waiting) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread George Victor
Brian, I was wondering if you have or had a K2 and if you relabeled it as well? George ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailm

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-06 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:47:25 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] > >Actually, both terms are used by FCC. I just checked Part 97, and the terms >are used almost interchangeably. > >For example, the title of 97.301 is "Authorized Frequency Bands". But when >you look at the charts which tell who

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:46:44 -0400, Tony Fegan VE3QF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My vote is for the VFO displays to be in wavelength (YARDS, FEET and >INCHES) with an option for frequency in ROMAN NUMERALS! :O) [snip] Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Rick Dettinger
On Jul 5, 2008, at 7:11 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: For those who prefer frequency in this mode, the reference won't be in Hertz, but in cycles per fortnight. This is a great Forum... Yes, it is, to go with a great rig. But I would prefer the frequency to be in natural units, i.e. radians

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Lyle Johnson
My vote is for the VFO displays to be in wavelength (YARDS, FEET and INCHES) with an option for frequency in ROMAN NUMERALS! Only the VFO B can display in roman numerals. We can't do M, V or X in VFO A. And we'll use furlongs for wavelength. The audible feedback from the DVR option

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Tony Fegan VE3QF
My vote is for the VFO displays to be in wavelength (YARDS, FEET and INCHES) with an option for frequency in ROMAN NUMERALS! Now, back to normal service. 73 and enjoy Tony Fegan VE3QF K3 #137 Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other ra

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Brett Howard
Sorry for the added bandwidth but for worry of the rig getting broken I vote to no have a fix implemented. In my mind I consider the 20 meter band below the 10 meter band. So yes when I press DOWN on a band switch I expect to go to lower frequencies. I'm sure there are many who think I'm dumb fo

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Jim Miller
Don't "fix" mine. 73, Jim - Original Message - From: "hank k8dd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PhilB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button > Yeah, anyhow . there are other thi

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread hank k8dd
Yeah, anyhow . there are other things that really need to be fixed before cosmetic stuff like that! - Original Message - From: "PhilB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button Please Elecraft, leave the

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 7/5/08 6:25:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Nowhere is it written that the bands assigned to the Amateur service must > be > referred to by wavelength. Agreed. Indeed, here in the USA, our FCC refers to the > > slices of spectrum we're assigned

RE: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
K3KO wrote: > This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be > a mistake that persisted through the years. > > The button marked "band" with up and down arrows really is frequency. > > You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and > band goes

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread K3KO
Gosh, How the true origin of names get lost with time is amazing. Bands were named after their approximate wavelength. They weren't pulled out of a hat. One can probably find a question related to this in a 1950's vintage Novice exam. Also people have forgotten that the so called "low ban

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Fred Jensen
K3KO wrote: This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked "band" with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:11:59 -0700 (PDT), K3KO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be >a mistake that persisted through the years. > >The button marked "band" with up and down arrows really is frequency. > >You push the up arrow a

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread PhilB
Please Elecraft, leave the Band Button the way it is now. Phil K7PB - Original Message - From: "Don Wilhelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is the situation that has been around since dirt was young. The bands are usually referred to in terms of their wavelength (meters). Most people

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:11:59 -0700 (PDT), K3KO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be >a mistake that persisted through the years. > >The button marked "band" with up and down arrows really is frequency. > >You push the up arrow a

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread David Yarnes
e an apology to the world for having mis-titled his classic antenna book about "Low Band DXing". Just about everything between the covers is about 40, 80, and 160 meters! Good try, but no sale! Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: "Brian Alsop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Mike Harris
Alsop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Band button | Don , | | I agree we think in bands. That's why the band button arrows ought to | do the right thing. | | Here is the situation now: | I want t

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
So the 'light dawns'. This is the situation that has been around since dirt was young. The bands are usually referred to in terms of their wavelength (meters). Most people automatically think of 20 meters as being 'higher' than 30 meters because the frequency is higher. Of course there are e

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Brian Alsop
Don , I agree we think in bands. That's why the band button arrows ought to do the right thing. Here is the situation now: I want to go from 20 to 10 meters. I have to press the DOWN button to go from 10 -->20. Doesn't makes sense by any thought process. Last I knew they still teach count

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Gregg R. Lengling
I think what he is trying to say is that if you hit the band up button, it actually selects a higher frequency band, not a higher band number. ie: I'm on 7020 (40 meters) and hit the ban up button it goes to 10,140 (30 meters). So it's not going to a higher number band but a higher frequency.

Re: [Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
Your lexicon must be quite different than mine. In my 54 years of association with ham radio, we have had Amateur "Bands". Why would one want to label the device that changes between these bands as a "frequency" switch? The VFO changes frequency, the band switch changes bands. You are free

[Elecraft] Band button

2008-07-05 Thread K3KO
This isn't just the K3. Other radios have the same problem. It seems to be a mistake that persisted through the years. The button marked "band" with up and down arrows really is frequency. You push the up arrow and the band goes down. Press down arrow and band goes up. It would be nice to h