Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-05 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
The commercial CW operators used a 1-5 scale too: QSA1 to QSA5. It's much more practical than trying to read or guess the nine steps of "S" units, yet plenty accurate enough to clearly tell the other station how good his/her signal is coming in. It's fun to watch an S-meter wave back and forth (I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-05 Thread AB3EN
Don, Thanks for the explanation. I too use the method you describe such as "S-9 - armchair copy" but the interaction with the RF-gain had me looking all over the manual trying to figure out why the S Meter calibration didn't work. Dan Don Wilhelm-4 wrote: > > Holding my tongue firmly in my ch

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-05 Thread Bill W4ZV
Don Wilhelm-4 wrote: > > If you are doing weak signal work or working on a crowded band, I > suggest you opt for the maximum dynamic range by reducing the RF Gain > (and advance the AF Gain) so you can just barely hear the band noise. > But if your current operation is more casual, run the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
Holding my tongue firmly in my cheek, I suggest that we can give 'proper' S reports without an S-meter at all. S-3 - I can barely hear you S-5 - You have a weak, but copyable signal S-7 - Good copy, but not the strongest signal S-9 - armchair copy S-9+ - you are really booming in here. For contes

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dan, That behavior is common for many receivers - the K2 and K3 included. Admittedly, a few do it differently and the RF Gain will reduce the S-meter reading rather than sliding the scale upward. The reason is that the RF Gain works in 'parallel' with the AGC. In other words, the developed AG

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-05 Thread AB3EN
Don, I notice that if I have the RF gain less than full CW the S Meter bars are progressively lit and it looks like the noise level has increased when it has not. The latest beta is a work of art and should make folks happy but the S Meter / RF gain interaction puzzles me. Out of habit I do not

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-04 Thread Don Rasmussen
Here's my look for what its worth. ;-) I have been following AGC, S-meter, and threshold/slope values since the beginning - K2 #272 over two years ago. Until recently, I have found that K3 sensitivity varied between serial numbers and that could not be changed. I suspect this value was not mea

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-04 Thread Julian, G4ILO
Dave G4AON wrote: > > The K3 is sensitive enough on the lower bands to not need the pre-amp, > which of course would give rise to higher noise levels. > But surely the preamp won't make the receiver noisier. It will only make the noise sound louder. But if you are listening to a signal then sw

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-04 Thread Jan Erik Holm
I have noticed this on my K3 also. Compared to my FT-1000D it´s much noisier. As far as I understand the MDS of the K3 is around 134 dBm, I have measured my FT-1000D to about 141 dBm I think it was. My feeling is that something isn´t right with the K3 but I simply haven´t had time to persue it. /

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-04 Thread Dave G4AON
I have a feeling something may have changed in later K3 firmware, possibly as a result of calibrating the receiver gain via the K3 Utility. Previously I have been able to calibrate the S-Meter from around S6 to S9 +60 and have it almost perfect, now it doesn't seem to be possible to get it that goo

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-04 Thread Toni Lindén
I found out similar behavior with K3 while testing it for the first time in SAC contest. I was sure that the noise was some kind of power line noise or similar. After the contest I disconnected *all* electrical devices but noise was still there. Changed to FT1000 Mark V and the band was quiet whil

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-10-03 Thread Wayne Burdick
Jim, If it's an issue with the S-meter, it may well be corrected by the corrected RF GAIN calibration procedure due out in the next beta release. I can send it to you to try. Generally if you connect an antenna to three radios and one of them sounds louder, it means that radio has more gain

Re: [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-09-24 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:18:33 +, Jim Harris wrote: > >Hi All, > >I've had my new K3 up and running for about a week after replacing the DSP >board during assembly due to the 5vdc rail being shorted to ground. The >S-meter shows about S-2/3 noise and there is about an equal level of noise >

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-09-24 Thread Don Rasmussen
they have been working on a provision in the utility program that will achieve the same effect, using only the firmware. Gotta love SDR. It's in the release notes but not quite ready AFAIK. [Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise Jim Harris w0em at q.com Thu Sep 24 11:18:33 EDT 2009 Previo

[Elecraft] K3 S-Meter and Noise

2009-09-24 Thread Jim Harris
Hi All, I've had my new K3 up and running for about a week after replacing the DSP board during assembly due to the 5vdc rail being shorted to ground. The S-meter shows about S-2/3 noise and there is about an equal level of noise from the speaker. I have an IC-756ProIII sitting beside it and