Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread Bill K9YEQ
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:11 PM To: mzil...@roadrunner.com; elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem I should have mentioned this specifically, but I was operating the KX3 strictly from batteries at the time. Connecting a 13.8V source to it (one that was plugged into

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread Nicklas Johnson
I think that is very likely to be the case, yes. It's worth noting that it is a somewhat badly unbalanced antenna at the moment. Normally it would have a set of el-cheapo tape measures attached as radials, but the weather and time have not been kind to them, so they're not currently attached... t

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Nicklas Johnson To: Ralf Wilhelm Cc: elecraft Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem Interesting, and if I may ask a potentially-dumb question, what do we really mean when we use the word "isolation" in this context, and ho

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread Ralf Wilhelm
You have written earlier that you could pull the coax plug "half out" (disconnecting the shield) and that this also helped. So maybe you have common mode current on the coax which would also increase the coupling to the wiring (because not only the antenna itself but also the coax would emit th

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread Nicklas Johnson
Makes sense. And that's why the RX SHFT also works, because then the reflected signal is shifted away from the RX frequency by the same amount as the shift. That was a great explanation, and I thank you for it! Another solution in my case, then, might be to just move the antenna further away fro

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread Ralf Wilhelm
The problem with all receivers using a local oscillator (direct conversion or superhet) is that they emit a small part of the local oscillator power via the mixer to the antenna port (maybe a typical number of L.O. to R.F. Port Isolation of a mixer is 40 dB or something like that). In a superhet

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread Nicklas Johnson
Interesting, and if I may ask a potentially-dumb question, what do we really mean when we use the word "isolation" in this context, and how does it provide the benefit of keeping the buzz out of the detector (or to ask the question in the reverse, how does the buzz get in, in the absence of additio

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread Ralf Wilhelm
Hi Nick, Turning on the preamp increases the isolation between the local oscillator and the antenna port. I also wasn't sure if my "buzz" went away when I turned on the preamp (I couldn't hear it any more) but I used the spectral display of the MixW-Software and the microphone of my laptop to c

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread Nicklas Johnson
Now that you mention it, I did notice the buzz went away when I turned on the preamp, but I thought it was just my imagination or that the static had just become sufficiently loud that my own hearing wasn't responding to it anymore. ​Nick​ On 10 February 2014 03:02, Ralf Wilhelm wrote: > >

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread Don Wilhelm
Nick, The wire should run outside. It can and should be buried. It does not have to be down very far, but deep enough it will not be damaged by the lawn mower or shovels if you should dig in that area. A perimeter wire around the house would not be a bad idea either, it can divert a lightnin

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-10 Thread Ralf Wilhelm
My guess would be that the local oscillator of the KX3 (which is on the rx qrg) is emitted via the shield of the coax cable (common mode?) "received" by the charger's usb cable, modulated with the 60Hz by non-linearities in the charger and than re-emitted (maybe by the wiring a a whole) and th

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-09 Thread Nicklas Johnson
That's a really good point, and in fact I have it on my 'to do' list to get the bonding done correctly. It's complicated by the ground rods being on the opposite side of the house, and the utilities running underground without an exposed ground stake by the utility box outside. I think code al

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Nick, I suspect your antenna ground stakes were not connected to the utility entry ground rod with a #6 or larger copper wire. The earth creates resistance between the antenna ground stake(s) and the AC ground in your home. Now, that USB phone charger power supply connects to at least the A

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-09 Thread Matt Zilmer
I'm puzzled by all of this, Nick. I'll think on it. 73, matt W6NIA On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 20:11:13 -0800, you wrote: >I should have mentioned this specifically, but I was operating the KX3 >strictly from batteries at the time. Matt Zilmer, W6NIA -- "Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I wil

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-09 Thread Nicklas Johnson
I should have mentioned this specifically, but I was operating the KX3 strictly from batteries at the time. Connecting a 13.8V source to it (one that was plugged into the house power) didn't really change whether the 'buzz' was present or not. ​The only thing that changed it was either unplugging

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-09 Thread Matt Zilmer
Hi Nick, After reading your reply, I think I have an idea. I've had the same problem in a mobile setting, where good grounds are scarce and there is a lot of transient noise around. If -somehow- the noise put off by the charger were to get onto the 12V line into the KX3, you might get this effec

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-09 Thread Nicklas Johnson
In this case the 'transmitter' was the switching power supply in a USB cell phone charger plugged into an outlet in relatively close proximity to the antenna (other side of the wall of the house). The charger plugged in by itself put off a little noise. With the USB cable plugged into it and stre

Re: [Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-09 Thread Matt Zilmer
Hi Nick, RX SHFT is normally used to cancel the effects of AM detection of very strong signals that blow by the mixer and enter the detector - overload. Since enabling RX SHFT cured this 60Hz+harmonics problem, it seems likely that you were copying a strong signal with little or no modulation. Y

[Elecraft] KX3: nearby noise post-mortem

2014-02-09 Thread Nicklas Johnson
Hi all, I'm trying to make sure that I understand something kind of weird that I ran across today; I hate resolving a problem without fully appreciating everything that was causing it. Since 10M was pretty active today, I thought I'd pop on, and since the ground was nice and wet, I thought I'd gi