Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-17 Thread Wes Stewart
Oh dear.  Of course I know that stuff. BTW, except for very lossy RX antennas the only thing I know of that gives a "flat" SWR is a dummy load. The OP said, "My antenna, for 40 mtr's, is a 67' wire up about 25'."  Why should he make a 40-meter dipole so complicated? Wes  N7WS On 1/16/2019 9:

Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-17 Thread Ignacy
You have several choices. 1. Add voltage or current balun at tuner output. Voltage 4:1 is simpler. 2. Connect the ladder line directly but loop the coax by the tuner a few times around a large toroid. This is equivalent to adding a balun. Do not ground the tuner. The first option guarantees ba

Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-16 Thread Ken
On 1/16/19 12:11 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: Why don't you cut the dipole in the center, add an insulator and feed it with coax?  Put a CM choke at the feedpoint if you insist and lose the ladderline and tuner. _Prune the wire length for resonance. _ You do realize that "pruning" for resonance wi

Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-16 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
I have three suggestions: 1) If you are feeding the antenna at the precise end of the wire, move the feedpoint out a few feet. That's because you need "the other half of the antenna." Because of the high impedance at this point, only a few feet are needed. 2) Don't connect one side of the la

Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-15 Thread Wes Stewart
Why don't you cut the dipole in the center, add an insulator and feed it with coax?  Put a CM choke at the feedpoint if you insist and lose the ladderline and tuner. Prune the wire length for resonance. Wes  N7WS On 1/15/2019 7:15 PM, John Pierce wrote: I haven't read all the comments on this

[Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-15 Thread John Pierce
I haven't read all the comments on this thread and thus may requesting redundant info. My antenna, for 40 mtr's, is a 67' wire up about 25'. I have 30' of 450 ohm ladder line connected to the end of the antenna and bringing the antenna into my basement. So I guess you could say that I have a non

Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-14 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/14/2019 6:32 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: You do realize that if the common-mode current on the line is due to asymmetry between the antenna and the line, then choking at the feed-point reduces the CM current at that point, but just like your example said, a quarter wave *down* the line you have

Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-14 Thread Wes Stewart
You do realize that if the common-mode current on the line is due to asymmetry between the antenna and the line, then choking at the feed-point reduces the CM current at that point, but just like your example said, a quarter wave *down* the line you have a CM peak.  If asymmetry isn't an issue t

Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-14 Thread Dave Cole (NK7Z)
It is one hell of a nice read Jim, THANK YOU for publishing it. 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net Award Manager, 30MDG Grid Contest ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL OOC for Oregon On 1/13/19 9:24 PM, Jim Brown wrote: I'm not going to go beyond this on the re

Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-14 Thread John Oppenheimer
On 1/13/19 11:24 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> The instrument used to measure this is quite simple. >  I'd be very interested in how you're measuring the current at the > antenna feedpoint. :) That is NOT so simple. The common mode current can be measured 1/2 wavelength from the feedpoint. Here is an

Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-13 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/13/2019 6:46 PM, Al Lorona wrote: the feedline is a wire dangling from the antenna that isn't connected to anything on the other end. That "dangling wire" is actually *two* wires, and the field of one cancels the field of the other for no net radiation or reception -- at least that is the

Re: [Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-13 Thread Al Lorona
>>> the feedline is a wire dangling from the antenna  >>> that isn't connected to anything on the other end. That "dangling wire" is actually *two* wires, and the field of one cancels the field of the other for no net radiation or reception -- at least that is the condition we're trying to achie

[Elecraft] Non-Resonant Antennas and Chokes

2019-01-13 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/13/2019 3:42 PM, Al Lorona wrote: By the way, whenever Jim says, "...a very good common mode choke at the feedpoint of an antenna...," he means an antenna fed with coax. What I actually mean is an antenna matched to its feedline at the operating frequency(ies). For the rest of us, of cour