Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
Give me a break, Joe. I told you why I didn't give his call - I'm fairly sure that he reads this reflector, and he will comment if he wants to.  End of subject 73, Pete N4ZR On 4/6/2024 6:00 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: No, it's not "snarky".  It points out that a claim can not be verified

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
No, it's not "snarky". It points out that a claim can not be verified absent supporting documentation - just like any scientific study that has not been subject to peer review is generally not given serious weight. This is particularly the case when the claim runs contrary to not only the

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
That's kinda snarky, Joe.  I didn't identify him precisely because if he wants to expose himself on this reflector (of which he is a member, I believe) he should be the one to do so.  I know him to be a retired professional electronic engineer with a well-equipped workbench whose analyses

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 4/6/2024 3:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: Yes - although there have also been some analysis done that seems to show that, in FT8, with any ALC bars visible, signals begin to widen out, and at 4 bars there is a lot of junk between signals. Just repeating what I've been told - I don't have

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread W3FPR
rom: Pete Smith N4ZR To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior Message-ID:<59c02b5d-1800-4a78-9d73-60461d231...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I just set the audio to be sure I'm? hitting 4 bars of ALC,and the cycle of adjust

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
14 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 21:03:20 -0400 From: Pete Smith N4ZR To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior Message-ID:<59c02b5d-1800-4a78-9d73-60461d231...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I just set the audio to be sure I'm?

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread Bob McGraw
ng. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 4/5/2024 5:50 PM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 14 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 21:03:20 -0400 From: Pete Smith N4ZR To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior Message-ID:<59c02b5d-1800-4a78-9d73-60461d231...@gmail.com>

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread W3FPR
Thu, 4 Apr 2024 21:03:20 -0400 From: Pete Smith N4ZR To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior Message-ID:<59c02b5d-1800-4a78-9d73-60461d231...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I just set the audio to be sure I'm? hitting 4 b

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread Rick NK7I
Correct. 73, Rick nk7i On 4/6/2024 12:03 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: Hmmm ... I thought that the ALC started AT the 5th bar and the first 4 bars were sort of a VU-meter.  Hence Don's occasional advice, "4 full bars and the 5th occasionally flickering." I've been known to get things wrong in the

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread Fred Jensen
ailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 14 Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 21:03:20 -0400 From: Pete Smith N4ZR To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior Message-ID:<59c02b5d-1800-4a78-9d73-60461d231...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I just se

[Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-06 Thread Bob McGraw
-0400 From: Pete Smith N4ZR To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior Message-ID:<59c02b5d-1800-4a78-9d73-60461d231...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I just set the audio to be sure I'm? hitting 4 bars of ALC,and the cycle of

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-05 Thread Keith Trinity WE6R
It is to prevent overshoot. It will do it when you change bands also. I'm sure Wayne has explained it in detail if you can search the archives here or on the groups.io forum. If it is real bad on CW and FM, then run the TX gain cal. Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-04 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Run the power calibration. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/4/2024 9:03 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: I just set the audio to be sure I'm  hitting 4 bars of ALC,and the cycle of adjust K-3 power to full expected drive to the KPA-1500 is now more like CW, but the question remains -  after I adjust the

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-04 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
I just set the audio to be sure I'm  hitting 4 bars of ALC,and the cycle of adjust K-3 power to full expected drive to the KPA-1500 is now more like CW, but the question remains -  after I adjust the power a tiny fraction in either direction, why does the K-3's output power drop way back and

Re: [Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-04 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
This is typical for those who insist on not running data modes with 4-5 bars of ALC. You are not providing enough audio and the K3/K3s needs to engage the expander (additional audio gain) in order to achieve enough drive to reach the set power level. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/4/2024 6:21

[Elecraft] Weird K-3 Power Behavior

2024-04-04 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR
I have a K-3 driving a KPA-1500, and have started seeing some strange behavior.  After I adjust the power level control on the K-3,. even a little (like 33 to 31 watts), the driving power delivered to the KPA-1500 starts much below the K-3's indication, and only gradually increases to what