Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:49:17 +0100 James Gilmour wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: To anyone else reading, my claim is: With the Condorcet method(s), the voter ranks all candidates liked better than "last" (optionally including ranking "last"). I asked: Is it necessary for a voter to rank ALL cand

[EM] Approval is Set Voting

2004-06-09 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Jan's posting prompted me to post something that I've meant to post. Another name for Approval could be Set Voting. The voter can can vote any set over any other set. Of course that's done by voting a particular set over everyone else. While Plurality lets you vote one candidate over everyone e

[EM] Approval errs toward middle. IRV errs toward extremes. Which is worse?

2004-06-09 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Some of us have posted many examples of how IRV eliminates a middle CW and jumps to an extremist as the winner. IRV errs toward the extremes. Approval, when it errs, tends instead to err toward the middle. Middle in the sense of inbetween. Say it's Favorite, Middle, & Worst. Middle is the CW. W

Re: [EM] proposal: weighted pairwise comparison

2004-06-09 Thread James Green-Armytage
>From my definition of weighted pairwise: >>Tally: >>1. Pairwise tally, using the ranked ballots only. Elect the Condorcet >>winner if one exists. > David wrote: > >So in the examples: >45 A 100 > B 70 > C 0 >10 B 100 > A 70 > C 0 >5 B 100 > C 70> A 0 >40 C 100 > B 70 > A 0 > >45 A 100 > B 10 > C

Re: [EM] proposal: weighted pairwise comparison

2004-06-09 Thread bql
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wrote: Tally: 1. Pairwise tally, using the ranked ballots only. Elect the Condorcet winner if one exists. So in the examples: 45 A 100 > B 70 > C 0 10 B 100 > A 70 > C 0 5 B 100 > C 70> A 0 40 C 100 > B 70 > A 0 45 A 100 > B 10 > C 0 10 B 100 > A 90

[EM] Equalling-vote problems

2004-06-09 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
(The line-format of this message may be messed-up, because it didn't post here the first time I sent it, and so I'm sending it from a copy stored elsewhere) Kevin-- Equalling votes may well lose Approval's summability. When I posted about equalling votes yesterday, I didn't realilze how unfinis

RE: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread James Gilmour
> >Dave Ketchum wrote: > >> To anyone else reading, my claim is: > >>With the Condorcet method(s), the voter ranks all candidates > >> liked better than "last" (optionally including ranking "last"). I asked: > >Is it necessary for a voter to rank ALL candidates? Eric replied: > No. I

RE: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Eric Gorr
At 11:37 PM +0100 6/9/04, James Gilmour wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: To anyone else reading, my claim is: With the Condorcet method(s), the voter ranks all candidates liked better than "last" (optionally including ranking "last"). Is it necessary for a voter to rank ALL candidates? No. Does

RE: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread James Gilmour
Dave Ketchum wrote: > To anyone else reading, my claim is: > With the Condorcet method(s), the voter ranks all > candidates liked better than "last" (optionally including ranking "last"). Is it necessary for a voter to rank ALL candidates? Does it cease to be "a Condorcet method" if voter

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Dave Ketchum
We ain't communicating, so, ENOUGH! To anyone else reading, my claim is: With the Condorcet method(s), the voter ranks all candidates liked better than "last" (optionally including ranking "last"). There is no other voter activity such as a rating or grading of candidates - methods incl

Re: [EM] proposal: weighted pairwise comparison

2004-06-09 Thread Dgamble997
Hello James You wrote: >Tally: >1. Pairwise tally, using the ranked ballots only. Elect the Condorcet >winner if one exists. So in the examples: 45 A 100 > B 70 > C 0 10 B 100 > A 70 > C 0 5  B 100 > C 70> A 0 40 C 100 > B 70 > A 0 45 A 100 > B 10 > C 0 10 B 100 > A 90 > C 0 5  B 100 > C 90

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Forest Simmons
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: > > > On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: > > > > > >>On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: > >> > >> > >>>If I understand correctly, Beat Path, Ranked Pairs, MinMax,

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: If I understand correctly, Beat Path, Ranked Pairs, MinMax, and all of the other serious Condorcet methods are in agreement (except f

[EM] Re: completing Condorcet using ratings information

2004-06-09 Thread Chris Benham
James, >the ratings should be scaled and maximised among the members of the >Schwartz set, >between steps 2 and 3. Sorry, Chris, what exactly do you mean by "scaled and maximized"? Is that like raising the highest candidate to 100 and the lowest to 0? CB: I should have written "maximis

Re: [EM] trying to start an on-list Jargon Dictionary

2004-06-09 Thread Rob Speer
You really should try out Wikipedia; all of this sounds like a duplication of effort. On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 09:36:26PM -0400, James Green-Armytage wrote: > - Old versions of the dictionary will still exist in the archives, so if > some malevolent person deletes a definition or two, they can

[EM] Another way to describe Approval Voting

2004-06-09 Thread Jan Kok
I suggest this alternative description of Approval Voting: Voters are asked to "approve" or "disapprove" each candidate. Voters may approve more than one candidate for an office. Whoever gets the most approval votes wins. The reasons for proposing this are: 1. I have twice received this objec

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Forest Simmons
On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Dave Ketchum wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: > > > If I understand correctly, Beat Path, Ranked Pairs, MinMax, and all of the > > other serious Condorcet methods are in agreement (except for the > > margins/wv debate) when there are only

[EM] weighted pairwise method: clarification

2004-06-09 Thread James Green-Armytage
Dear election methods fans, I believe that I was overly terse when I stated the definition of the methods I proposed yesterday. I think that I made it pretty easy to misunderstand. So I'm trying to rewrite the central part where I actually define the method. How about this...? Weighted

Re: [EM] Top Three Condorcet

2004-06-09 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Forest Simmons wrote: If I understand correctly, Beat Path, Ranked Pairs, MinMax, and all of the other serious Condorcet methods are in agreement (except for the margins/wv debate) when there are only three candidates: if one of them beats each of the others