Re: [EM] my 2¢ on range voting (and other pseudomajority methods)

2005-01-07 Thread Brian Olson
On Jan 4, 2005, at 11:09 PM, James Green-Armytage wrote: Range voting is neither a majority rule method, a supermajority rule method, nor a proportional representation method. Therefore, its applications are very limited. Let's say that our voting scenario is a large group of people choosing an

Re: [EM] Re: twisted prism, etc.

2005-01-07 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Forest! Big Sorry for not having read carefully enough. I missed the point about public elections not being supposed to show much symmetry. That is a very good point I guess which we could even strengthen to this claim: In almost all public elections, there will either be a CW or a

[EM] Condorcet/Range voting?

2005-01-07 Thread Mike
I got an interesting email from Warren D. Smith a couple of days ago concerning range voting, and I was wondering if anyone had considered it as a Condorcet completion method, kind of like how Borda is used in Black's method. I did a Google search for condorcet range, (range voting condorcet

Re: [EM] Who can't solve 2 candidate elections

2005-01-07 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Craig, you wrote (7 Jan 2005): Well, I didn't underestimate your intelligence when I expected that you would be perfectly unable to solve the easy problem of deriving a solution to the 2 candidate 1 winner election problem. Well, this depends on what you mean with solving 2-candidate

[EM] Thanks to a couple of list members (Condorcet/Range completion method)

2005-01-07 Thread Mike
I'd like to thank Chris Benham for providing me the links to James Green-Armytage's site, which answered a lot of my questions. I might as well ask another question, since this one went so well: Has anyone tried replacing Borda with Range voting in methods like Borda elimination or Nanson to

Re: [EM] Thanks to a couple of list members (Condorcet/Range completion method)

2005-01-07 Thread Kevin Venzke
Mike, --- Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I might as well ask another question, since this one went so well: Has anyone tried replacing Borda with Range voting in methods like Borda elimination or Nanson to see what the properties and paradoxes were? In what I call Approval-Elimination

[EM] AV strategy is hard and that's good

2005-01-07 Thread RLSuter
Some of the criticisms expressed about Approval Voting (AV) don't strike me as very reasonable. One person objected to AV in a private message because he believes it suffers from the Prisoner's Dilemma problem. But the leading academic advocate fo AV and one of its co-inventors, Steven Brams,

[EM] Deterministic Districting

2005-01-07 Thread Dr . Ernie Prabhakar
Hi all, Our Man Arnold in his State of California address pushed for a whole bunch of reforms, including putting redistricting in the hands of a non-partisan judges panel. As you can imagine there's a huge hue and cry. Mostly from partisans who fear accountability, but some from thoughtful

Re: [EM] AV strategy is hard and that's good

2005-01-07 Thread James Green-Armytage
There's no way for any voter, no matter how strategically sophisticated, to know what the best way to vote is. Their hedge vote could prevent their first choice from winning (a bad outcome) but it could also prevent their last choice from winning (a good outcome). Yes, that's just what I

[EM] Re: Deterministic Districting

2005-01-07 Thread Ted Stern
On 7 Jan 2005 at 14:43 PST, Ernie Prabhakar wrote: Any other thoughts? I can't help but think that some sort of 'four-color' theorem might be relevant, but I'm darned if I know how... The Iowa plan has worked well for 20-odd years:

Re: [EM] Deterministic Districting

2005-01-07 Thread Mike
Dr.Ernie Prabhakar wrote: This brings us back to the question of automated redistricting. We've often discussed how the 'fairest' algorithm would use a measure such as minimizing lanes of traffic cut by the circumference by combining census tracts while ensuring equal-population districts.

Re: [EM] Re: Deterministic Districting

2005-01-07 Thread Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
On Jan 7, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Ted Stern wrote: The Iowa plan has worked well for 20-odd years: http://www.centrists.org/pages/2004/07/7_buck_trust.html There is a similar method in place in Washington State. Hey, *I* like it. But reading that article, it seems to require a certain level of

Re: [EM] Deterministic Districting

2005-01-07 Thread bql
Wow, convergent evolution. Just a couple days ago I turned my attention to redistricting. On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Dr.Ernie Prabhakar wrote: This brings us back to the question of automated redistricting. We've often discussed how the 'fairest' algorithm would use a measure such as minimizing lanes

[EM] redistricting

2005-01-07 Thread Forest Simmons
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:07:16 -0800 From: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EM] Deterministic Districting Mike wrote ... Well, it's not really deterministic (in the sense that the results are repeatable), but one could could put the districting maps on the ballot along with the candidate.

Re: [EM] redistricting

2005-01-07 Thread bql
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Forest Simmons wrote: Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:07:16 -0800 From: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EM] Deterministic Districting Mike wrote ... Well, it's not really deterministic (in the sense that the results are repeatable), but one could could put the districting maps