Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:05:24 -0700
From: Steve Eppley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [EM] Does MAM use the Copeland method?
Gervase L asked:
Just a quick question that should clear up my understanding
of MAM. Is it the same as Copeland (i.e. count each
candidate's number of wins
Hi,
Gervase L asked:
Just a quick question that should clear up my understanding
of MAM. Is it the same as Copeland (i.e. count each
candidate's number of wins) except that any pairwise wins
that are inconsistent with the Rank Pairs ranking are
dropped before the Copeland score is tallied
Paul Kislanko wrote:
I merely observe from the original ballots that 5 of 9 voters prefer C over
A. So those are the ones who will be unhappy if A is elected.
That majority will initiate a referndum that changes the voting method
because it selected the wrong candidate from the VOTERS perspective.
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Subject: RE: [EM] Does MAM use the Copeland method?
Paul Kislanko wrote:
I merely observe from the original ballots that 5 of 9
voters prefer C
over A. So those are the ones who will be unhappy if A is elected.
That majority will initiate a referndum that changes the
voting method
I wrote and Paul K responded:
The far more significant distinction (within that class of
methods) is what ballot you use. I'm personally partial to
ABCDF graded ballots, with E being the default grade for
unranked candidates.
Does graded ballots mean applying something that smells like Borda
Hi,
Adam asked:
P.S. Steve, maybe it's just me but I can't link to your
webpage at the moment. I was hoping to re-read your
Immunity from Majority Complaints criterion.
Try it again; it seems to be working. Let me know
again privately if not, and maybe together we can
figure out why.
Hi,
Paul K wrote:
I merely observe from the original ballots that 5 of 9
voters prefer C over A. So those are the ones who will
be unhappy if A is elected.
It's a stretch to call them unhappy since all we know
is that they ranked C over A. Perhaps they'll be much much
happier if any of
At 2:52 PM -0500 10/6/04, Adam Tarr wrote:
Nope. The idea is simply to take someone's grades and translate
them into a ranked ordering. So if I give Joe an A, Bob and Sally
B's, and Frank a D, my ballot becomes:
I am beginning to like this idea myself. One could extend the grades
allowed a
Hi,
Paul K wrote:
Any argument that begins with perhaps they... is a
speculation, not an argument. From the ballots, 55.56
percent of the voters preferred a candidate that was not
elected.
But that's what I'd pointed out: All we know is that
they _preferred_ a defeated candidate.
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Subject: RE: [EM] Does MAM use the Copeland method?
Hi,
Paul K wrote:
Any argument that begins with perhaps they... is a
speculation, not
an argument. From the ballots, 55.56 percent of the voters
preferred a candidate that was not elected.
But that's what I'd pointed
At 3:40 PM -0500 10/6/04, Paul Kislanko wrote:
I am beginning to like this idea myself. One could extend the
grades allowed a bit, without leaving what would be well
understood by the voters with including the +, - grades as well.
This gives 14 possible bins (A+ A A-, ... , D+ D D-, F, E) in
, October 06, 2004 3:46 PM
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Subject: RE: [EM] Does MAM use the Copeland method?
Hi,
Paul K wrote:
Any argument that begins with perhaps they... is a
speculation, not
an argument. From the ballots, 55.56 percent of the voters
preferred a candidate
The point of the example was to show the way the method performed in
an election where each and every person was pairwise beaten by one of
the others.
A loses to C in 5/9 votes.
B loses to A in 6/9 votes.
C loses to B in 7/9 votes.
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:50:34 -0500, Paul Kislanko [EMAIL
voters to change election methods.
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Subject: RE: [EM] Does MAM use the Copeland method?
Hi,
Paul K wrote:
Steve E
Hi,
Adam H wrote:
The point of the example was to show the way the method
performed in an election where each and every person was
pairwise beaten by one of the others.
I hate to quibble, but I merely wanted a simple example
to demonstrate how MAM works.
But yes, I basically agree with
, October 06, 2004 4:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [EM] Does MAM use the Copeland method?
The point of the example was to show the way the method
performed in an election where each and every person was
pairwise beaten by one of the others.
A loses to C in 5/9 votes.
B loses to A in 6/9 votes.
C
Hi Paul,
On Oct 6, 2004, at 2:58 PM, Paul Kislanko wrote:
I guess y'all are missing my point.
Finally, we're in agreement! :-)
A wins in the example ONLY because the method discards the CA votes
because
of the BCA set of ballots.
I don't know if that's the only reason, and the more usual term
At 2:43 PM -0700 10/6/04, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote:
Paul, I don't think anyone is saying you 'must' support MAM, or that
everyone will like it. If so, I agree that's silly.
I think the statement being made is that -- even given an unusual
series of cyclic ties like this -- MAM gives an
I'll start by stating the colloquial definition of insanity (which I've
heard attributed to Einstein): doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results. By this definition, we are quite insane to
continue to respond to Paul, and vice versa. Onward...
Paul Kislanko
At 3:12 PM -0700 10/6/04, Dr. Ernie Prabhakar wrote:
On Oct 6, 2004, at 2:58 PM, Paul Kislanko wrote:
But, to use the terminology and techniques y'all do, let's examine the
BALLOTS that result if B is not a candidate:
4: AC
5: CA
Adding B to the mix causes A to be elected, even though all voters
Paul didn't reject anything.
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Subject: Re: [EM] Does MAM use the Copeland method?
At 3:12 PM -0700 10/6/04, Dr. Ernie
Just a quick question that should clear up my understanding of MAM. Is it
the same as Copeland (i.e. count each candidate's number of wins) except
that any pairwise wins that are inconsistent with the Rank Pairs ranking
are dropped before the Copeland score is tallied up?
Thanks,
Gervase.
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