Re: [EM] favorite betrayal and 2-party domination

2005-09-09 Thread Juho Laatu
Hello Kevin, On Sep 9, 2005, at 00:29, Kevin Venzke wrote: But I'm also not very worried since the real (stronger, meaningful) reasons for 2-party domination are elsewhere, not in Condorcet or other slightly big party favouring rules (e.g. d'Hondt method). I'm confused. I'm sorry for givi

Re: [EM] favorite betrayal and 2-party domination

2005-09-09 Thread Juho Laatu
Hi, On Sep 8, 2005, at 22:14, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 10:58 AM 9/8/2005, Juho Laatu wrote: In range voting the Approval style strategy of giving full points both to the favourite small party candidate (A) and the best big party candidate (B) could move us towards 2-party domination. It

Re: [EM] favorite betrayal and 2-party domination

2005-09-08 Thread Kevin Venzke
Juho, --- Juho Laatu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > Thanks for the reminder. I try to be careful in writing about the FBC. > Or maybe I should write about any harm done to the favourite small > party candidate (which could lead to 2-party domination) in a more > general sense. In range voti

Re: [EM] favorite betrayal and 2-party domination

2005-09-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:58 AM 9/8/2005, Juho Laatu wrote: In range voting the Approval style strategy of giving full points both to the favourite small party candidate (A) and the best big party candidate (B) could move us towards 2-party domination. It is interesting that this claim is made, not only by Mr. Laa

Re: [EM] favorite betrayal and 2-party domination

2005-09-08 Thread Juho Laatu
Hello Kevin, Thanks for the reminder. I try to be careful in writing about the FBC. Or maybe I should write about any harm done to the favourite small party candidate (which could lead to 2-party domination) in a more general sense. In range voting the Approval style strategy of giving fu

Re: [EM] favorite betrayal and 2-party domination

2005-09-07 Thread Kevin Venzke
Juho, --- Juho Laatu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > On point 3. I have also an extra comment. If sincere range voting > preferences are A:100, B:80, C:0 and the voter strategically votes > A:100, B:100, C:0, isn't that also one type of favourite betrayal that > weakens the position of the (sma

Re: [EM] favorite betrayal and 2-party domination in Condorcet(wv, =); and about DMC

2005-09-06 Thread Juho Laatu
On Sep 6, 2005, at 04:47, Warren Smith wrote: So. from the point of view of US third parties, 1. all Condorcet methods plausibly lead to 2-party domination, though we cannot be sure, 2. all are more complicated than range voting, and 3. range voting apparently does NOT lead to 2-party dominatio

Re: [EM] favorite betrayal and 2-party domination in Condorcet(wv, =); and about DMC

2005-09-05 Thread Abd ulRahman Lomax
At 09:47 PM 9/5/2005, Warren Smith wrote: So. from the point of view of US third parties, 1. all Condorcet methods plausibly lead to 2-party domination, though we cannot be sure, 2. all are more complicated than range voting, and 3. range voting apparently does NOT lead to 2-party domination. T

[EM] favorite betrayal and 2-party domination in Condorcet(wv, =); and about DMC

2005-09-05 Thread Warren Smith
To recount some recent history. I at first had this idea that all Condorcet methods would lead to 2-party domination. I in fact produced a "proof" of that (well, a proof of a related statement, anyhow) and put it on the CRV web site. Then one of the attacks on my proof (by Adam Tarr) was that m