Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread bari
That is unstable beta. It will takes weeks of cleanup to be stable. On 5/22/19 11:34 PM, Randy Steiner via Emc-developers wrote: > From what I can see it looks like RTAI just had a release at version 5.2 with > support for kernel patches up to 4.14.111

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread Randy Steiner via Emc-developers
Robert, that is a good link and starts to confirm something else I had found on tuning preempt_rt. As the new guy I will likely post stuff that others already know and have reviewed. From what I can see it looks like RTAI just had a release at version 5.2 with support for kernel patches up to

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread Robert Murphy
Sorry for this second post..regarding latency, would this be an option http://www.machinekit.io/docs/hal/threads-and-latency/ On 23/5/19 2:16 pm, Robert Murphy wrote: Could not the repos be setup from a preseed ? (I'm don't know a great deal about the LiveCD but I did make a custom stretch

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread Robert Murphy
Could not the repos be setup from a preseed ? (I'm don't know a great deal about the LiveCD but I did make a custom stretch install disk for private use using a preseed file to config desktop, extra packages and repos) On 23/5/19 1:45 pm, Chris Radek wrote: On Wed, May 22, 2019 at

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread Chris Radek
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 01:31:15PM +0100, andy pugh wrote: > We have a LiveCD based on Wheezy and RTAI but that is currently somewhat > broken (the apt sources list points at files that are no longer there now > that Wheezy is a long way past EOL) > I have tried to respin that ISO using the

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 20:05, Peter C. Wallace wrote: As far as RTAI goes, Has anyone tried Bari's suggestion of NTULINUX/RTAI? > > https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI Yes, I tried both this and the 4.9.18 patch from RTAI.org. Both run Linux perfectly well, but crash immediately anything realtime

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 22 May 2019, Chris Morley wrote: Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 18:20:11 + From: Chris Morley Reply-To: EMC developers To: EMC developers Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms From: andy pugh Sent: May 22, 2019 12:31 PM To: EMC developers Subject: [Emc-developers] Release

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 19:32, bari wrote: > https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI Is the last stable RTAI. linux-3.16.52 > is the latest kernel it supports. That is next on my list, as I think that a Jessie ISO with the 3.16 RTAI kernel should be relatively do-able. -- atp "A motorcycle is a

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread bari
We have crappy BIOS and motherboard makers to blame for this. BIOS was always a train-wreck of spaghetti assembly. Then Intel decided to write an entire new OS from scratch to embed into every motherboard vs just use (LinuxBIOS) coreboot or similar. Same cpu, chipset and memory settings should

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
On 5/22/2019 1:20 PM, Chris Morley wrote: > I wonder if machinekit has had success with using RTAI still? We dropped RTAI and kernel-mode HAL support ages ago. I haven't tested recently, but Xenomai should be able to provide near RTAI levels for latency with much easier to manage patch sets for

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread bari
https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI Is the last stable RTAI. linux-3.16.52 is the latest kernel it supports. We have it working with Gentoo and Scientific Linux and it should work with any version of Debian. It will support all the old hardware with LPT and software stepping. Everything newer at

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread Chris Morley
From: andy pugh Sent: May 22, 2019 12:31 PM To: EMC developers Subject: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms >We have a problem... >We need a 2.7 LiveCD that works. >We will need a 2.8 LiveCD that works. Thanks for tackling this Andy. I would not give up the option for RTAI lightly. (I saw

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 22 May 2019 08:31:15 am andy pugh wrote: > We have a problem... > > We need a 2.7 LiveCD that works. > We will need a 2.8 LiveCD that works. > > Currently there is a 2.7 LiveCD running preempt-rt waiting in the > wings. That is based on Stretch and so will be usable until June 2020.

Re: [Emc-developers] Introduction and a couple of questions

2019-05-22 Thread Rod Webster
Andy Thanks for taking the time to explain. From where I sit, I've seen a few experimental branches find their way into the main code. eg External Offsets which i did a lot of work with Dewey testing his failed plasma config. I also observed an attempt to merge the reverse run branch that was

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 14:36, John Thornton wrote: > I'm all for changing the Docs to point to something that does work in > most cases and add the link to prior version to the archives section > along with notes about what is broken. Do you have the access to move the various files to the

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread John Thornton
I'm all for changing the Docs to point to something that does work in most cases and add the link to prior version to the archives section along with notes about what is broken. JT On 5/22/2019 8:16 AM, andy pugh wrote: On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 13:58, John Thornton wrote: I'd say something

Re: [Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread John Thornton
I'd say something is better than nothing so if we can produce a LiveDVD with Debian 9 and preempt-rt and LinuxCNC Uspace we should. I had some partial success creating a live cd this morning with no desktop but with the rt kernel and LinuxCNC but it did boot so I'll attempt again tomorrow to

[Emc-developers] Release Platforms

2019-05-22 Thread andy pugh
We have a problem... We need a 2.7 LiveCD that works. We will need a 2.8 LiveCD that works. Currently there is a 2.7 LiveCD running preempt-rt waiting in the wings. That is based on Stretch and so will be usable until June 2020. (ie, one more year) LinuxCNC has historically used RTAI, and this

Re: [Emc-developers] Introduction and a couple of questions

2019-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 01:06, Rod Webster wrote: Chris, it seems there needs to be a process to look at new work becasue > what you are saying is if you are not in the inner sanctum, you can't > contribute. > But if you are in the inner sanctum, you don't have the time. Have you ever seen "The

Re: [Emc-developers] Introduction and a couple of questions

2019-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 05:03, Moses McKnight wrote: > I still find > mailing list to be quite useful as well. I think that this mailing list should remain the primary discussion forum as it is more asynchronous that IRC and is pushed rather than pulled. Also, most of the developers are